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The Heading for this forum Needs to change…
Sometimes I think this forum should be recalled “FCPX – The Opportunity for Adobe to Exploit”…
Surely its time to simply just call it – Apple FCPX?
Or can we counter-create:
Premiere Pro – FCP7 re-badged or not?
Creative Cloud – Subscription Services suck or not: The Debate😉
PPro is a great bit of NLE kit, however this notion that FCPX is “just a toy” needs to be put to bed.
There’s a lot of people in the professional space here in Australia for example, that are using it in high-end broadcast – including myself.
I have delivered more than 50 shows of National Broadcast content to Three different TV networks here, all using FCPX.
I agree the UI could do with some enhancements and flexibility. A roles mixer would be very helpful.
I also wish you could export consolidated projects with handles on vision for archival for example, rather than having to XML out to something like primaries exporter. Copying projects to new Libraries should have that option – rather than summarily shoving entire source clips out with it…
However the shining beacon of ‘X’ is the managing of media in the digital age we live in, as well as the fluidity of the Magnetic Timeline. We often have to re-cut TV Eps for duration for different networks – and the paradigm that FCPX offers is fantastic for this.
OP1a MXF export support came in the nick of time.
Roles is awesome. With one click of a button, be able to export clean vision (sans-GFX) out for compiles or sans-commentary….so cool.
The Timeline index is fantastic for so, so, many reasons to be able to locate clips, apply effects and transitions on specific index queries is just a terrific timesaver.
I chuckled at the mud-slinging at the 3D Text inclusion with 10.2. Its actually a very sound introduction. Like anything, subtlety is key. A nicely constructed 3D Text layout, doesn’t compare to a ransom-note Rugs-a-Milliion-Warehouse-style shouting TV commercial smothered in GFX EG:
In closing, more and more young cool kids even here in Oz editing high-end Red Bull promos etc are shooting with Reds, Arris, Flex 4Ks…and editing in FCPX. Fact. Happy to show you who they are.
FCPX is definitely NOT for everyone. But to suggest its just gimmickry… is plain stupid.
Even sillier – is the fact we continue to persist with the forum name here.
Dean Neal…
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[Dean Neal] “Creative Cloud – Subscription Services suck or not: The Debate”
Here ya go.
re: this forum’s name, see here (2013), here (2014), and here (2015) to catch up with the, ahem, debate.
See also every thread here that has a debate in it. The debate-oriented threads are easily identified as, without exception, the threads with the most posts on them. More debates, over a wider range, than ever before.
In any case, for a new name, the same rules apply that have always applied.
- Gotta propose a new name.
- Group’s gotta agree.
And most important:
- Group’s gotta agree there’s no debate before the name Debate goes away.
These conditions have yet to be met. If you review the threads above, you’ll note that the closest to consensus the group has yet to come is the possibility of adding an “s” to denote “The Debates.” No consensus on that either, though.
Hey, maybe this time! However, history suggests that we will once again debate whether or not there’s anything to debate, once again establishing that there is in fact plenty to debate.
Nevertheless, I stand at the ready.
Best regards,
Tim Wilson, aka “Julie Your Cruise Director”
Editor-in-Chief
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Thank you! Hear, hear.
I cringe at the title of this forum. Long overdue.
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Your post is spot on! Speaking only for myself, in complete agreement with this forum and the Adobe forum as well. One other thing I would like to see is cows rather than the +1 or whatever the number is for a like and a empty milk bottle for a vote in the opposite direction. Crazy, to be sure, but just a mere suggestion.
As for more graphics, every cable news has that annoying thing at the bottom with other news. You almost have to be an expert multitasker to keep up! Also, same thing with proffesional sports.
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If it has to be changed how about “Apple FCPX Discussion” to go with “Apple FCPX Techniques”
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While I recuse “Dennis – Adobe Guy” on the grounds that I’m with a vendor, I’ll speak as a member of the community and make just a couple of quick points.
1 – The forum title, “FCPX debate or not” never makes the statement that FCPX is a toy. It is individuals and particular threads that do that. Furthermore and perhaps most importantly, whatever you change the title of the forum to, that point will still be made by some. As someone who has worked with the “toy” NLE Premiere Pro for 10+ years, I can say this, “get over it.” You choose your tool, you go to your happy place, you edit and all is good – who cares what other people say?
2 – As a supporting point, do you notice that Adobe employees never chafe at the Creative Cloud Debate forum? They’re employees yet respect the community and their points of view. I would argue that we’re all (mostly) grownups and can deal with contrarian points of view. That’s what makes the Cow community and this forum in particular, great.Nothing will change by changing the title of the forum, development of your favorite tools and their perception in the industry will. Again, see Premiere Pro’s very long history and bumpy, turning road as an example.
All of THAT said, if people really want to change it, heck – why not?
Dennis – “Cow community guy”
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To be clear, I welcome any discussion in here regarding FCP X – good or bad… keep em cranking.
FCP X discussion or whatever sounds better.
Its just there is a now substantial collection of people that use FCP X in Television Broadcast and apparently film.
The title of the forum sets the tone in the first place and hence feeds the beast as it were in my opinion…
…and to be fair, then any other creative argument or debate should then have a forum assigned to it is my point.
In truth, my comment about Creative Cloud forums etc. is firmly tongue in cheek.
Yes Apple sucked in its original delivery of FCP X. Agreed. But its foothold is set. Its developed a fair way since them.
Lets move on.
To me, I see a few of the same sewing circle of thread posters here in terms of strident attackers of the software.
It gets a little stale nowadays.
I think we can all list the usual names that seem to thrive on lobbing grenades…and frankly its a pretty small list!
That’s fine… but I ask myself, why do they expend so much energy in doing it?
I would rather focus on what techniques or emergent theories or technologies relevant to this software are emerging – for good AND bad.
COW should be that to FCP X, as much to PPro, Avid, Edius, Resolve or anything else.
Bottom line is, rather than having guys like Aindreas coming in here in one of his famous drunk moments, rattling out on meaningless garbage for example (as fun his discussions often are), I would like to see this forum continue its spirited (even passionate or heated) debate on FCP X, but also to use this area as a discussion point to actually grow the product, its understanding and the knowledge base of those who use it.
When I see awesome threads like the one about the early days of NLE development on a MAC, inevitably be railroaded into yet another diatribe about how PPro is real deal and FCP X is crap or whatever…
What it will do, is inevitably see I believe – COW lurkers looking elsewhere for their FCP X learning.
Maybe thats the point I need to take…
Who knows… I thought I would at least ask the question!
Dean Neal…
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“The title of the forum sets the tone in the first place and hence feeds the beast as it were in my opinion…”
I agree 100% with this
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“empty milk bottle”…. how about a “cow pie”?
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[Dennis Radeke] “1 – The forum title, “FCPX debate or not” never makes the statement that FCPX is a toy. It is individuals and particular threads that do that. “
Dennis,
As someone who took me to task (quite correctly) for the potentially dismissive nature of leaving an “e” off Premiere, I’m a bit surprised at the “this is no big deal” response.
First, the title of the forum is not “FCPX debate or not”. It’s FCP X or Not, The Debate.
Those two strings of words emphasize VERY different things.
I wonder how sensitive to the topic you might be if you had been showing up on a forum for 4 years where the discussion centers around the PRESUMPTION that there must be very valid reasons NOT to use Premiere?
Just an observation.
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To me the title still seems right as that is still the view in London (where I work). I know a lot has been said about the BBC using X for news but I am yet to work in a post house or creative agency that is using it. And the overriding view still seems to be (rightly or wrongly) that it’s not a professional tool.
Another good thing about the forum name is that it stokes passion and I find it great to read when someone posts X can’t do xyz and some vehemently defends X and shows them how to do it. If it was just FCP the discussion things would just turn boring, just look at us over at the Avid forum 😉
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