The end is near for Sony Vegas

[Steve Rhoden]

Also John, Windows Vista made me nauseous, what a mess
that was….Though Windows 7 isn’t perfect, i breathe a sigh of
relief when it came.

Anyway, Now back to this Final Cut X Forum…….

……OHH, I meant Vegas.

Steve Rhoden
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Film Maker
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

[Joe Mantaratz]

I think the $2000 probably is on the low end when you have to consider that Apple only really plays nice with Apple. Of course by design and to encapsulate the market and pass out the Kool Aid for the masses.

This discussion is such a hot topic one would think a world peace solution would be easier to solve than this. Bottom line is Apple markets heavier than anyone and are in the schools and in almost every TV show that I have ever seen,,,etc. Of course we all believe it is a better product. Why not? They have told us as such a million times over so it must be true.

For most of us we use what elements work for us not matter where they come from. I too have Apple and PC…a switch between both…some things I like on one and not the other…vice versa.

Now What About Osama???

[Dave Haynie]

Apple can charge less for the NLE, because they seriously overcharge for the PC. That $2,000 isn’t quite enough to get you an iMac with 21.5″ screen with enough features for basic editing (eg, i7 quad, 8GB, 2TB HDD)… and I would honestly go bonkers doing any kind of real work on a single screen that small. If you want the 27″ screen, you’re already over $2500.

I paid only about $450 for my last PC upgrade, which included 8GB DRAM and an AMD 6-core processor… largely because I could keep every other piece of the system, I didn’t need to upgrade everything.

And what you really want for serious video work is a Mac Pro.. which starts at $2500, without the monitor. And neither will do Blu-ray… you still need to buy Adobe CS if you need to do BDs. And a drive.

It’s also interesting that, even after they announced FCP Pro X at $299 (via the Mac App Store only, and just FCP alone, none of the other tools in the usual Studio bundle: Soundtrack Pro, Motion, Color, Compressor, and DVD Studio Pro), they’re still bundling Final Cut Express 4 for $199 with new Macs. At least Final Cut X is FINALLY 64-bit.. even Adobe there already. They’re also now supporting 4K editing, another thing Vegas has done for awhile. This is the first time since 2007 that FCP was available outside the bundle… I think that’s the real news.

Also, consider that currently at least, the App Store doesn’t have an upgrade option — you buy each version completely new, at the full list price. Apple’s move to the App Store is more than likely a permanent one; they’re taking FCP out of the traditional retail chain, and thus, Apple’s getting 100% of the profit on it, with zero materials cost, zero stocking issues, etc. So some of the savings pass on to the user, at least for the first buy. For the future… who knows? And given the unbundling, I do wonder if this is really much of a price drop at all, though certainly compelling to an editor lusting after FCP but not concerned about the other “Studio” components… it was $999 for the whole Studio package, now $299 just for FCP.

Interesting viewpoint from an FCP user here: https://www.mikejones.tv/journal/2011/4/13/new-fcp-x-is-really-not-so-new.html. He’s basically suggesting that FCP has finally caught up, and thus, he won’t have to dump it. May well be that the grass is always greener… well, somewhere else.

-Dave

[Marie-claude Sauvé]

”This past winter I gave up on FCP 7 and now use Vegas exclusively. I have a Mac Pro running both OSX and Win7. Final Cut Studio 7 vs Vegas; IMHO Vegas wins.”

Hi Greg,

I’m in PC but plan to change for a iMac Intel quad-Core i-7.
Can you tell me what you use for running sony vegas on your Mac?
I need to keep Vegas 9.0 for editing and rendering 30 min. HD magazine for a local TV.
What do you recommand? Parralels?

Your advice is important for me, because I have to decide if I stay in PC or go for Mac.
Thank you

Marie-Claude http://www.deve.ca

[Greg Barringer]

I’m using a Mac Pro, eight core. I have an internal 2TB Western Digital Black Caviar HDD dedicated to Win7 Pro 64 bit and Vegas 10d. Windows is installed using Boot Camp. I’m happy with it. Parralels runs both operating systems at the same time so it’s not going to be as fast.

[Larry Brewer]

As a video professional, I can’t see the price difference of a mere $200 between the 2 editing platforms being much of an incentive to drop one and go with the other. The initial cost of the NLE software has been a non-factor for quite some time.

And if I had ever been tempted to move from Vegas to FCP it certainly wouldn’t have been after the release of FCPx. Or haven’t you read the reviews?

[Joel Mielle]

This announcement was posted prior to the release of FCPX, I’m a long time fan of Sony Vegas but he fact that they have removed the XML export options in the 64bit version indicates to me that they are not serious in pursuing this as a pro package. I hope I’m wrong but they’re doing the same as Apple. Just in case, I’ve recently taken up the Adobe offer of creative suite. I must say that Premiere is so much harder to use than Vegas at first glance but it does appear more professional, but I’m not a big fan so far. This may change but I would prefer that Sony can get it together as color grading in Vegas is hopeless, and Resolve doesn’t support PCs, Magic Bullets doesn’t support Vegas any longer and I can’t export my projects to colorise in external pro packages, then unless there’s a super update, I cannot continue with Vegas purely for that one reason.

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[Dave Haynie]

I had not even noticed that until now… what IS the deal with AAF export being gone from Vegas 64-bit. This isn’t a Vegas 9/10 thing… it follows the 64-bit version of the program.

So, that got me curious. I looked up the AAF stuff. The Advanced Authoring Format is a project of the Advanced Media Workflow Association. The AAF support libraries live over top the Microsoft Structured Storage System, but the main APIs are managed as a project on SourceForge by the AMWA.

And guess what… they don’t have a 64-bit version of the AAF libraries yet. Last year, they had targeted this for November, but as of this June, they still did not have a supported 64-bit version, for Windows or for MacOS. I’m fairly certain this is the only reason Vegas 64-bit doesn’t have AAF support.

Sure, Sony could do the work themselves, but it’s less critical, given that I can load up any Vegas project in 32-bit Vegas as produce the AAF file I need. Presumably, this is just what Adobe did for AAF support in Premiere CS5/CS5.5, which has no 32-bit alternative. The AAF SDK is distributed under what looks like a version of the Apache license. If Adobe made changes to the code, they have to supply that code back to the AMWA, but they don’t have to post it themselves.

So this is very clearly NOT anything like “let’s remove all professional features and concentrate on the prosumer” as we’ve seen in FCP-X. I used Premiere in the past… not a fan, not even remotely. And it’s only Premiere that’s evil… I love Photoshop.

However, I think Sony needs to get their act together on some things Premiere does very well — in particular, Premiere’s high speed “Mercury Playback Engine”, which puts Vegas editing speed to shame on MPEG and AVC native edits. And this, from a program that didn’t even handle native edits, not too long ago.

-Dave

[John Rofrano]

[Joel Mielle] “Magic Bullets doesn’t support Vegas any longer and I can’t export my projects to colorise in external pro packages, then unless there’s a super update, I cannot continue with Vegas purely for that one reason.”

Magic Bullet Looks 1.4 works perfectly fine in Vegas Pro 10 32-bit. It’s just not supported by Red Giant. Go complain to Red Giant about abandoning their customers. Sony had nothing to do with this. They brought it on themselves by ignoring 64-bit Vegas for 3 years and then complaining that no one was buying their plug-in. Well… duh… we all moved on to 64-bit three years ago and can’t use it anymore.

If you want film looks in Vegas Pro 64-bit try Boris BCC7 Film Process, or GenArts Sapphire Edge Film Style, or VASST ReelPaks. If you can’t live without Magic Bullet then switch to an NLE that they support.

The bottom line is that the pretense of this thread is bogus. Just because one plug-in maker dropped support for Vegas because they couldn’t sell enough copies of one plug-in does not signal the end of anything. As I stated earlier, several more plug-in makers have joined Vegas with an exceptional collection of new plug-ins. I’m sorry to see Red Giant leave because they really do have a very intuitive product, but I’m not switching NLE’s over of it.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

[Monty Wentzel]

I’m seriously considering S vegas as I am SO TIRED of fcpx. I hate apple and always have, I like pc’s, but everyone said fcp 7 is the way to go and yes maybe it was. Now that apple canned fcp 7 I bought X the day it came out. It’s good but slows down, crashes etc.

So I’m thinking vegas. I do simple interviews but have plans to do a feature real soon. Can’t do a feature on fcpx, it would die.

I read vegas is fast to learn and fast to edit with…

Tell me some good stuff about vegas

Monty