The end is near for Sony Vegas

[Scott Francis]

I think it’s demise is not gonna happen, especially with working in conjunction with AMD, Boris, NewBlueFX, and Prodad….there are more than just Magic Bullets…Just my 2 cents.

Scott Francis
Mind’s Eye Audio/Video Productions

[Steve Rhoden]

Will you guys give the doom and destruction of Sony Vegas
a rest..If someone wants to switch that’s entirely their business.
Vegas aint going nowhere, how many times are we gonna go down this road.

Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Maker
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

[Chuck Pullen]

Joel, if you haven’t already, please read the thread from a couple of days ago “Painful day with multicamera” Whenever I talk about Sony Vegas at this point, I feel like Dr. Bruce trying to keep myself from turning green and flipping cars over. People like Al and I have been having more issues than we can count, been dealing with the same “reproducible” bugs over and over again, and have gotten zero response from Sony for the past couple of years besides “Clean out your registry”

If you go over to the AJA Ki Pro forum for instance, AJA support answers just about EVERY ISSUE that anyone has with their products within hours if not minutes. Dozens of people have been reporting the exact same errors, and we all have to quote Al “The system of mine is immensely stable” top of the line systems with ZERO issues outside of Vegas.

My personal issues started getting out of hand when I built a 64 bit system and purchased version 9. I have post-it notes with things I CANNOT DO with Vegas, and my workarounds using Premiere and other third party software to do the dirty work for Vegas just so that I can cut a quick multicamera video. I purchased version 10 A, B, C, and now D all have the exact same bugs… SOME OF THE BUGS HAVE GOTTEN WORSE IMHO!

Here’s my plan Joel if you are interested. I purchased a Quadro card for the Adobe Suite, and plan on building a dual boot rig so I can run both FCP X. Between the two I can totally eliminate Vegas from my workflow. Will I miss it? Sure! I miss what Vegas USED TO do well, I will miss what it is SUPPOSED to be able to do.

Will I miss submitting LITERALLY DOZENS of crash reports on a daily basis? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[John Rofrano]

[Joel Mielle] ” With Premiere aggressively taking on the world and now Apple releasing Final Cut X at $299, I feel that I’m ready to also switch or get left behind.”

I have Premiere Pro CS5 just because I bought the CS5 Suite because I wanted After Effects, Illustrator, and Photoshop and I never use Premiere. It is totally unintuitive to me and I could never do the audio work in Premiere that I do in Vegas so I don’t see how it’s taking on anything.

FCP X is finally getting some of the features that Vegas has had for years. I don’t see any need to switch to it since Vegas already does it better. Besides, FCP X requires a Mac so that’s not an option for PC users.

[Joel Mielle] “Magic bullets no longer support Vegas in 64 bit, and others are following suit.”

Who is following suit? Can you name anyone?

I don’t see anyone else dropping support for Vegas in fact I see more plug-in support coming with Boris Continuum Complete 7, and updated Boris RED 5 and GenArts Saphire Edge, etc. GenArts is a huge special FX company that is making more of their plug-ins available for Vegas Pro. If anything Vegas Pro 10 has MORE plug-in support that any other version of Vegas. Magic Bullet is a very specialized plug-in that not many Vegas users bought (perhaps because it was so slow to render) so they dropped support. That’s hardly reason for alarm. It was a simple business decision based on lack of sales.

I’m sorry I’m just not seeing any end being near. Vegas remains on the cutting edge. They were the first to support HD. The first to support the RED camera. The first to support 3D. Vegas remains the leader IMHO. The fact that FCP X is now mimicking Vegas’ look and feel says a lot about how out in front Vegas really is.

I know that Vegas Pro 10 has not been as stable as previous versions but sometimes that comes with adding so much new functionality like the entirely new OFX plug-in framework, 3D, etc. I don’t like it anymore than you do and I do hope Sony gets it more stable quickly.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

[Bob Peterson]

I am curious how you plan to build a dual boot system to run FCP. The last I heard, Apple won’t sell you their OS, or allow you to use it on anything except a machine that Apple makes. Am I missing something?

[Gilles Gagnon]

Great Thread! Great input!

I can somewhat see where Joel is coming from.

A concern of mine has been that Vegas is not the industry standard. This has caused a bit of hassles in working with the masses (FCP) in our industry.

Since Vegas is not the standard, sometimes, very good software, such as Sonic Fire Pro for music scoring, do not develop plugins for Vegas… which is unfortunate for us. From what I gather, because FC has such proliferation, community support and plugins development is far and wide… another bonus.

I’m not switching yet but I must admit, I’m increasingly interested in FCP especially since they’re adapting many of the wonderful functions of Vegas. Also… I’m tempted by the stability of Macs VS Windows/PCs (better OS architecture IMO).

I realise that switching is not a simple task, therefore… I’m not quick to draw my gun.

I’m really looking forward to seeing the progress in SVP 11. I think this will tell us much as to Sony’s dedication to SVP.

Cheers,

Gilles

[Chuck Pullen]

[Bob Peterson] “I am curious how you plan to build a dual boot system to run FCP. The last I heard, Apple won’t sell you their OS, or allow you to use it on anything except a machine that Apple makes. Am I missing something?”

I didn’t know it was possible either until recently Bob. I can’t tell you how to do it, but Google can. This isn’t some hacker thing, and it seemed surprisingly stable. I actually first saw this in practice on several machines at a network affiliate in a major market. They cut with FCP on the Mac drive, then would reboot in Windows to work with the Adobe Suite.

Chuck

[Seth Estrada]

This is an old sentiment, shared by many. However, it’s not true. Vegas has been a pioneer in so many areas, not the least of which is the YouTube generation, which will out-buy any number of post houses combined. That cash is furthering development of Vegas Pro. I have yet to read as much for Premier or FCP.

But speaking of post-houses, have you heard that Vegas supports the OFX plugin standard? Did you know that numerous high-end FX plugin manufacturers already have OFX plugins that can be used in Vegas? Did you know that Magic Bullet isn’t the only FX game in town?

No, the sky is not falling. Just make your choice, and try to be as happy as you can with the next suite of problems you purchase, whether it be Apple or Adobe. Non are perfect, and none are going away.

[Stephen Mann]

As I’ve said before, unless you can provide step-by-step instructions for someone else to independently reproduce your issue, then the problem is more likely a problem in your PC, not in Vegas.

If Tech Support cannot reproduce your issue, they can’t fix it. And they aren’t there to fix your PC.

Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com

[Brett Cole]

Premiere is an abomination, right up there with Blender as one of the worst UI’s ever. I love Adobe in general, PS? Dreamweaver? InDesign? – all brilliant, but next to Premiere, Vegas is like the Holy Grail.