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The differences between trimming in Avid and Premiere Pro CC
I haven’t used Avid for quite a few years and I’m interested to see what the real differences are between the trim options between it and Avid.
Could someone who knows Avid very well enlighten me please?
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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Interested in why you think you’ll get better advice here than in the Adobe or AVID forums?
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With MC…
You can lasso a whole stack of edit points and simultaneously trim them all with one action – either using the trim window or simply dragging in the timeline. You can have single-sided-trims on a set of cuts, but they don’t all have to be on the same side of the cut. The trim window permits trimming using JKL functions. The trim window will display 4 frames in slip & slide. The trim window can also display a 6-frame view for transitions – in/middle/out frame of the A & B sides of the transition. You can adjust pre/post-roll times in the trim window. The trim preview can be looped and you make adjustments on-the-fly.
The fast transition tool retains the last values entered. For example, if you did a custom 30-frame dissolve that started 12 frames before the cut, that value is remembered the next time you use the tool, until you change values. Like with FCP 7, you can select a range and apply a single transition to all the cuts within that range with one action.
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[Bill Davis] “nterested in why you think you’ll get better advice here than in the Adobe or AVID forums?”
Because I think this forum has the best mix of Editors that work across different types of NLE, is that OK?
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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In addition, if you do a particularly complicated trim (say asymmetrical trimming on multiple layers) and you go back to editing but need to make some further adjustments, you can ALT+TrimMode and it will remember your most recent trim setup. This alone can save a ton of time when you’re fine tuning a complicated edit.
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Michael Hancock
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[Steve Connor] “Because I think this forum has the best mix of Editors that work across different types of NLE, is that OK?”
Look, I wasn’t trying to push this. Just honestly curious why nearly 3 years after the launch, A board “branded” with the FCP-X moniker is still where people come for the serious NLE discussions – even those that SPECIFICALLY exclude FCP-X from the mix. It’s kinda interesting. That’s all.
Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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[Oliver Peters] “You can lasso a whole stack of edit points and simultaneously trim them all with one action -“
at the risk of exposing my serious level of ignorance – can’t you do the same with an altdrag in ppro cc – in that it activates all the edit points for edit trimming stuff? at least for dragging and keyboard nudging? I randomly came across that using it the last two weeks – i couldn’t think of anything intelligent to do with it, but I did repeat the action a few times. mess about with it a bit.
[Oliver Peters] “The trim window permits trimming using JKL functions. The trim window will display 4 frames in slip & slide.”
I could be wrong again – but ppro cc more or less has this now right – the four up and dynamic jkl? again i poke at it with the monkey stick – but I’m sort of sure that lot is there now?
Also there is a thing – ppro cc has a feature i half adore – when you go to drag and vertically reset the video component of a VA clip – it does not bounce the audio component down the audio track as a mirror move like in FCP7 – presumably someone will tell me I could have always done that in 7, and I’m a moron, but well, if there was, I never knew… but PPro views a drag vertical reordering of video as its own thing. its nice.
there is something of a halfway house to X i find in the way ppro treats audio as a lozenge in its world, and video as a lozenge in its world. ppro does seem to view them as two kingdoms.
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[Bill Davis] “Interested in why you think you’ll get better advice here than in the Adobe or AVID forums?”
Because the forum says FCPX or Not….not “we’ll only tolerate FCP X comments” Forum
Andy Field
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[Bill Davis] “Just honestly curious why nearly 3 years after the launch, A board “branded” with the FCP-X moniker is still where people come for the serious NLE discussions – even those that SPECIFICALLY exclude FCP-X from the mix. It’s kinda interesting. That’s all.
“Nothing interesting about that at all, despite the branding, this particular barn is an community of people whose opinions and experience I respect a lot, there’s lots of discussion on here that isn’t directly related to FCPX and it’s a good place to ask questions.
Plus the fact I may have wanted to develop this discussion into a broader one about the shortcomings of FCPX in the Trimming department.
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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Just dove into Premiere Pro CC again to play with their trim mode a bit more before I typed this up, to make sure I was remembering everything correctly. Here’s why I prefer Avid’s trim mode to Premiere (and I may be wrong about how Premiere handles some of this – still getting really familiar with it).
1. Go to next edit/previous edit and enter trim mode in one keystroke. Avid has this function, I can’t find it in Premiere. This is incredibly helpful when I’m stringing out a rough edit and want to start cleaning stuff up, or when I’m making J and L cuts. I can use the keyboard to activate the tracks I want, then use the keyboard to move up and down the timeline to select an edit point and activate trim mode in one keystroke to start tightening things up.
2. Activate trim mode, activate track with keyboard. In Avid, if I have V1 and A1 activated in the track panel and enter trim mode it will activate trim on V1 and A2. I can use the keyboard to activate track A2 and it will automatically add the trim to the nearest edit on that track (which is usually the edit I want). I tested this in Premiere and it doesn’t honor new track activations with the keyboard. I edit with the keyboard as much as possible so I really miss this feature when using Premiere.
3. Select Trim A/B/AB via direct keystroke. In Avid I can map “Trim A Side”, “Trim B Side”, “Trim AB Sides” to the keyboard, so I enter trim mode and immediately choose what I want to do. I can’t figure out how to do this in Premiere, directly. I can cycle the different trim modes, but I can’t go directly to one via one keystroke. I hope I’m wrong on this one. I’d rather hit one keystroke than cycle 5 times just to trim B side of an edit.
4. This one is subjective and may not make sense, but I find selecting trim points in Avid to be much easier and more solid than in Premiere when using a mouse. I don’t know if that makes sense or not, but in Premiere it feels like I have to click more than once to select a trim point if I’m not exactly in the right spot, whereas in Avid I can click generally close to the trim point and it immediately selects it. This makes setting up asymmetrical trims or multiple edit point trims much faster to set up in Avid.
Those are the top four things that I notice between Avid and Premiere when it comes to trimming, and for me it comes down to keyboard commands to quickly select what I want and responsiveness of the interface. Avid beats Premiere in these instances.
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Michael Hancock
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “[Oliver Peters] “You can lasso a whole stack of edit points and simultaneously trim them all with one action -”
at the risk of exposing my serious level of ignorance – can’t you do the same with an altdrag in ppro cc – in that it activates all the edit points for edit trimming stuff? at least for dragging and keyboard nudging? I randomly came across that using it the last two weeks – i couldn’t think of anything intelligent to do with it, but I did repeat the action a few times. mess about with it a bit.
[Oliver Peters] “The trim window permits trimming using JKL functions. The trim window will display 4 frames in slip & slide.”
I could be wrong again – but ppro cc more or less has this now right – the four up and dynamic jkl? again i poke at it with the monkey stick – but I’m sort of sure that lot is there now?”
Yep. You can do that in PP CC
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