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The differences between trimming in Avid and Premiere Pro CC
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “can’t you do the same with an altdrag in ppro cc – in that it activates all the edit points for edit trimming stuff?”
No. At least not like in MC. With MC if you drag the mouse from the blank space above a track and lasso around a stack of cut points, you are switched into the trim mode and these cut points are activated. In Premiere it selects the clips you’ve touched, but doesn’t place you into a trim function.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “but ppro cc more or less has this now right – the four up and dynamic jkl?”
Yes. Correct.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “Also there is a thing – ppro cc has a feature i half adore – when you go to drag and vertically reset the video component of a VA clip”
If I understand you correctly, that was copied from FCP 7. Option+arrow up. Just disable linking. MC can also do this, though not in as simple of a way.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “Also there is a thing – ppro cc has a feature i half adore – when you go to drag and vertically reset the video component of a VA clip – it does not bounce the audio component down the audio track as a mirror move like in FCP7 – presumably someone will tell me I could have always done that in 7, and I’m a moron, but well, if there was, I never knew… but PPro views a drag vertical reordering of video as its own thing. its nice.”
Just option click and drag. Premiere uses a modifier to do the reverse if I remember correctly. But you’re right. It’s better that it’s the default in Premiere the way it is. When I’m moving the video up for compositings sake, why would I want the audio to move down? Always thought that was the annoying default.
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[Michael Hancock] “In addition, if you do a particularly complicated trim (say asymmetrical trimming on multiple layers) and you go back to editing but need to make some further adjustments, you can ALT+TrimMode and it will remember your most recent trim setup. This alone can save a ton of time when you’re fine tuning a complicated edit.
“Ah! Thanks. I didn’t know that one. That’s cool.
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At a basic level, our goal was to go from ‘worst to first.’ Can’t say that we’ve done that for all users but we’ve certainly heard from many Avid editors that our trimming is at least very decent for them. Like most things in our NLE world, it is almost always somewhat subjective to your way of working! That said, we support keyboard + mouse style trims, asymetric trims, multi-select trims, etc.
[Michael Hancock] “1. Go to next edit/previous edit and enter trim mode in one keystroke”
Up/Down arrow when in the trim mode.
[Michael Hancock] “2. Activate trim mode, activate track with keyboard.”
“T” key will enter you into trim mode. Always encourage users to enter the keyboard shortcuts and type a word like ‘trim’ to look for available shortcuts
[Michael Hancock] “3. Select Trim A/B/AB via direct keystroke”
Honesty is the best policy – not sure what you mean by this one so will assume that we don’t have it.
[Michael Hancock] ”
4. This one is subjective and may not make sense, but I find selecting trim points in Avid to be much easier and more solid than in Premiere when using a mouse.”I agree on this one to a point. THis is the one preference in Premiere Pro that I would have different. If you go to preferences>trim and check the top box, I find the trimming modes to handle and switch the way you expect. My opinion but when I show most people they agree.
Hope this helps,
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[Dennis Radeke] “Up/Down arrow when in the trim mode.”
Sweet. Thanks. I’d still like to see the option to consolidate the two actions, so I can just hit (for example) Shift+S and it goes to the next edit on the selected track and enters trim mode at the same time. Seems minor, but the keystrokes add up throughout the day.
[Dennis Radeke] “”T” key will enter you into trim mode. Always encourage users to enter the keyboard shortcuts and type a word like ‘trim’ to look for available shortcuts”
I have this mapped to Shift+T, but that’s not my complaint. My issue is that once you’re in trim mode, toggling tracks selections on and off is ignored by trim mode. It doesn’t select the nearest edit point on newly activated tracks for trimming. Example: Put media on V1 and V2 with cut points on top of each other. Activate just V1 and enter trim mode. It selects the edit on V1. Now toggle V2 on – nothing happens. It should select the edit on V2 since I’m in trim mode and have activated another track. Since it doesn’t, I have to use the mouse to select the edit point, which is cumbersome. And if I have V1 activated, enter trim mode, then deactivate V1 (thereby having no tracks active) it should dump out of trim mode and remove the trim selection on the clips.
[Dennis Radeke] “Honesty is the best policy – not sure what you mean by this one so will assume that we don’t have it.”
My mistake on this one – you guys do have this option, kind of. It’s “Select Nearest Edit as Trim In” and “Select Nearest Edit as Trim Out”. It seems to default to yellow trim, which is good (I can’t find a way to activate in directly to red trim with the keyboard). However, there’s no shortcut option for “Select Nearest Edit as Roll Trim”. If you use “Select nearest edit as Trim In” first, then want to roll trim you have to toggle through all the trim modes (or use the mouse). Lots of extra keystrokes.
[Dennis Radeke] ” If you go to preferences>trim and check the top box, I find the trimming modes to handle and switch the way you expect. My opinion but when I show most people they agree.”
I’ll check this out. Thanks for pointing it out.
Premiere has come a long, long way in its trimming capabilities and it’s getting really close. But these are the small but important things that keep me from putting it on the same level as Avid. Looking forward to seeing how you guys continue to advance it.
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Michael Hancock
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[Michael Hancock] “In addition, if you do a particularly complicated trim (say asymmetrical trimming on multiple layers) and you go back to editing but need to make some further adjustments, you can ALT+TrimMode and it will remember your most recent trim setup. This alone can save a ton of time when you’re fine tuning a complicated edit.
“learn something new every day. Thanks for that !
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… or in other words, FCPX is the NLE that all others are now compared to whether explicit or implicit. 😉
Can anyone imagine questions like this being posited on a Vegas or Edius forum?
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you’d think I would have option dragged footage in 7 once in the last thirteen years stabbing at it like a monkey, but, well, apparently no. – bangs head gently on table – .
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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Also: during trimming operations each track displays its own little “mini playhead”, making it easy to see what’s going on at a glance.
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I loved the memory on trim amounts. Trim plus 2, then just hit return over and over and get two more each time. Miss that one.
Lots about Avid I miss. Will see what they have to say at NAB.
Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media Inc.
Video Production, Post, Studio Sound Stage
Founder/President/Editor/Designer/Animator
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