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  • Craig Seeman

    November 17, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    It doesn’t seem all that expensive to encode to ProRes on Windows.
    99 € to start.
    https://www.cinemartin.com/cinec/

  • Kevin Louden

    November 17, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    At Testream we have been dealing with many of these issues ourselves from the software development side and are working on a new macosx multi format media player and inspection tool for professionals called Switch. It combines the functionality of a lot of the tools we all have on our macs today.

    You can find out a little more about Switch and sign up to be notified about the beta when it’s available here:

    https://www.telestream.net/switch

    I will be at streaming media west in Huntington Beach this week showing it off if anyone is in the area.

  • Oliver Peters

    November 17, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    [Craig Seeman] “It doesn’t seem all that expensive to encode to ProRes on Windows.”

    But is it legal and will it be broken as a result by something Apple does later? Plus do levels and gamma match?

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Craig Seeman

    November 17, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    They’ve been at it for a while and their product line has grown considerably since it was simply a public beta and litigious Apple has made no move. They may well have paid the licensing fee but one might assume a much higher price if that were the case. I doubt that Apple is unaware of them.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    November 17, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    See?

    There’s already others in development.

    Thanks, Kevin.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    November 17, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “That’s how it appears now. Wait another 10 years when Apple decides ProRes is “Grandpa’s codec”.”

    In that case, what’s Panasonic going to do? Sony? Arri? Intel?

    Really, all of this is flashpan technology as we are the midst of so much fundamental development change.

    It won’t bother many people that Sorenson 3, cinepak, and 1bit Indexed Color RGB has been phased out.

  • Michael Phillips

    November 17, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    That’s why the need for the codecs and wrappers to be a published standard so that camera originals from an archive don’t become a useless waste of disk space and doesn’t require constant conversion and maintenance. But consumers and professionals have different needs, and clearly this is more of a consumer play for Apple than a professional one. Apple will leave pro solutions to third parties which is fine if the hooks in the operating system remain in place while being enhanced over time with new methods.

    Michael

  • Charlie Austin

    November 17, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    [kevin louden] “a new macosx multi format media player and inspection tool for professionals called Switch.”

    So you’re adding video capabilities to the current audio version? (which is great BTW…) That would be nice…

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    ~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
    ~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

  • Oliver Peters

    November 17, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    [Jeremy Garchow] “In that case, what’s Panasonic going to do? Sony? Arri? Intel?”

    I don’t understand the question. Each of these companies have other options that are not dependent on ProRes, QuickTime or Apple. What’s your point?

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Jeremy Garchow

    November 17, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    [Michael Phillips] “That’s why the need for the codecs and wrappers to be a published standard so that camera originals from an archive don’t become a useless waste of disk space and doesn’t require constant conversion and maintenance. “

    I wish.

    But codecs differentiate and allow competition, same with tape. Codec developing companies hold on to them as a form of intellectual property.

    Apple, typically, hasn’t cared about any of it. You need to flip everything to .mov, and now that might mean flipping to ProRes or h264.

    But, these newer players give macs more capability for pros as you don’t even need a component to play certain wrappers back. In some cases you don’t even need a codec.

    I’m sure we will be fine. Overall it will help performance.

    It could be much worse. At least the OS tries to convert to a high quality codec if things aren’t working out in legacy codec land. Obviously, there’ll be some growing pains.

    Animation + Alpha should turn into ProRes 4×4. Duh, Apple. 🙂

    Jeremy

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