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The Color Wheels Mystery …
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[Bill Davis] “Already this thing that started out as “Apple Screwed Up!!!!” – is rapidly backpedaling into “Apple has approached the need for modern color grading somewhat differently.” “
Can I just go on record yet again as saying that I have not claimed or wanted to claim that “Apple Screwed Up”?
Thank you.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Simon Ubsdell] “This is a really basic function.
You can see it in any Apple filter. “
Except the Color Board.
[Simon Ubsdell] “Again very simple maths.”
I’m sure it is, but it is odd that this behavior is present on the wheels and not the board. It suggests (and I have no idea what I am talking about, by the way) there is different math at play, or perhaps different ways of determining (or in this case, ignoring) the shadow, midtone, highlight range instead of pivoting on 0 (gain) and 1(lift) and sweeping the middle (gamma). As you allude, Apple loves to change the names and functions, and often without much explanation.
I am not on Facebook either, so I can’t see the other discussion, wherever it is happening.
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[Bill Davis] “Typical modern internet kerfluffle.
People see something that doesn’t conform to their expectations – and the wild speculation and fantasizing begins.
This reminds me EXACTLY of 2011 when X was released. “That’s just not right. Have you read any of the discussion? There are people here and on Facebook commenting who know what color correction is and what it’s supposed to do. If Apple has done something “out of the box” then they owe their users some explanation or white paper for best practices. Right now the new color tools are different and add some extra features. But there are clearly some things not quite right with the color wheels. That needs some explanation.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Except the Color Board. “
True. But there really is no reason why it shouldn’t be there except that they decided not to implement it. I don’t think we can read anything into that decision.
[Jeremy Garchow] “I’m sure it is, but it is odd that this behavior is present on the wheels and not the board. It suggests (and I have no idea what I am talking about, by the way) there is different math at play, or perhaps different ways of determining (or in this case, ignoring) the shadow, midtone, highlight range instead of pivoting on 0 (gain) and 1(lift) and sweeping the middle (gamma).”
Have a look at the screenshots I posted on my “Solution?” post above and see what you think.
I am certainly still leaving open the option that Apple have adopted a different model here but I am starting to wonder if the solution isn’t quite a lot simpler.
I haven’t really had enough time to look at this properly though so I am not going to commit to any definitive theory …
My problem is that I can’t see the virtue in the way that the Wheels behave in Rec.709, whereas in Rec.2020 they make complete sense and conform to what I would expect.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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I totally respect that misimpression was never your intent, Simon.
Sadly, the web beast has a process of its own.
Everywhere I go online today in the X community, I see posts sbout how the FCP X new color grading is “broken” or “sub professional” or “needs bug fixing, stat.”
The fact that the follow up posts from the smartest practioners tend to challenge the simplicity of that assessment, barely matters.
The web doesn’t care. The narrative is set.
The teeming editorial masses have their headline to chew on. Screw the actual harder technical analysis.
IS it actually “broken?”
Or just “different?”
How do you tell anymore?It’s the new reality. Whether we like it or not.
PR has now morphed into PI.
Public relations sat between the manufacturer and the press who’s job it was to help interpret with experience and wisdom the truth of the sellers claims.Now sowing distrust is simply this eras MOST effective strategy.
In Politics, in Marketing – ANYWHERE there’s a competitive buck to be made.
The charge is on page 1 – the technical retraction on page 30.That “road to success” lesson was forged in politics – now it’s everywhere.
FIRST make people concerned or worried – THEN you’re more likely to change their behavior.Our new world.
Happy new year.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Bill Davis] “Now sowing distrust is simply this eras MOST effective strategy. “
How true that is.
And how very damaging to the fundamental fabric of our social interactions – at every level.
Would it were not so. The internet has a lot to answer for.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Simon Ubsdell] “Can I just go on record yet again as saying that I have not claimed or wanted to claim that “Apple Screwed Up”?”
I think these conversations are awesome. Thanks for putting in the time to do the video.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I am certainly still leaving open the option that Apple have adopted a different model here but I am starting to wonder if the solution isn’t quite a lot simpler.”
Yes, like an over looked calculation variable (or as some might say, a bug!). ☺
[Simon Ubsdell] “My problem is that I can’t see the virtue in the way that the Wheels behave in Rec.709, whereas in Rec.2020 they make complete sense and conform to what I would expect.”
I don’t really know either, but it seems sorta buggy. It is definitely worth reporting to Apple to see if they implement a fix or decide that it’s correct as is. 🙂
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[Jeremy Garchow] “It is definitely worth reporting to Apple to see if they implement a fix or decide that it’s correct as is. :)”
The question is, how would we know the difference between “unfixed bug” and “intended feature”? ???? I mean, it’s like they’d have to, like, SAY something or something.
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Thankfully, folks from the ProApps team will be at the next LACPUG meeting – so we can maybe ask them directly if they have any guidance on this.
Things do change – if slowly.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.
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