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swapping two shots
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Spoiler alert:”
Actually when i do it the clips become duplicated in front of the other shots leaving the original selections in place.
Nevertheless just goes to show. All those years and hours and I never knew about that option drag feature.
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[James Ewart] “Actually when i do it the clips become duplicated in front of the other shots leaving the original selections in place.”
Then you’re not hitting option AFTER you click and drag, but BEFORE. In which case I don’t see how it could have worked before either.
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That was classic!
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Then you’re not hitting option AFTER you click and drag, but BEFORE. In which case I don’t see how it could have worked before either.
“Yes doesn’t duplicate in your scenario but in the simpler one I described before whether or not I hit option before of after selecting the clips makes no difference.
of course is doesn’t matter anyway but I would be interested to now how Premier handles this scenario.
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Creating logical connection points with the primary storyline is something a lot of people neglect, and should solve most problems like this.
You’re positing a scenario where sfx are trailing into a scene or shot, but no part of that sound overlaps the previous shot it’s logically connected to? I’d love to see an example of this.
(in all honesty, I’m not being snarky)
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[Robin S. Kurz] ” To think that some are literally still having to do the exact same timeline Tango with the most current version of their NLE. Unless there were some MAJOR changes in other NLEs that I missed?”
No, I don’t think you’ve missed anything, although Ppro, unlike FCP7, does allow you to swap/move groups of clips, but you would still have to move some things around to match the demo example. So yes, you’ve now made the entire case for the magnetic timeline — it is clearly superior to any other NLE for this type of operation.
Which has been acknowledged since the first Demo at NAB.
The argument has never been whether the MagTimeline was better at this, since it clearly is, the argument has been – but at what cost?
How often during your week do you swap this sort of complex collection of clips vs how often do you look at that undifferentiated mass of clips trying to figure out what is where? Is the time saving (which this demo pushed to it’s furthest limits) in swapping worth the time lost to confusion. If the way you organize your work leads to a Yes to that question, then FCPX is clearly for you. However the opposite holds true as well. There is no free lunch and choice of NLE is based on individual workflow.
[Robin S. Kurz] ” And the same people make sure to never miss a beat when it comes time to tell everyone what a massive f***-up the magnetic timeline is, how Apple betrayed them, yadda yadda yadda… ;)”
The Apple betrayal has nothing to do with the magnetic timeline, it has to do with the sudden EOL of FCP7 etc., etc …
Which is a discussion about marketing and business practices, much like the discussion about Adobe’s total switch to subscriptions. While both discussions involve the underlying software, they are not really about them.
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[Herb Sevush] “but at what cost?”
Absolutely none that I am aware of. Quite the contrary.
[Herb Sevush] “how often do you look at that undifferentiated mass of clips trying to figure out what is where?
All the time. Only, thanks to things such as elaborate filtering, tagging, a timeline index etc. etc. etc., those moments are extremely short lived. Exponentially shorter than with any other NLE I have ever used. And yes, I’ve used them all at some point or another during the last 20+ years, thank you.
[Herb Sevush] “Is the time saving […] worth the time lost to confusion.”
I unfortunately have absolutely no clue which “confusion” you could be referring to. And if you actually think that this is somehow the only example that demonstrates how much of a huge time saver the MT is, then you clearly do not know enough about X i.e. have insufficient practical experience/knowledge to know better. But that’s fine. And why PPro is your weapon of choice. Great.
[Herb Sevush] “it has to do with the sudden EOL of FCP7”
Sure. Never mind that it still works to this day. Totally worth the uproar. :-))))
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Only, thanks to things such as elaborate filtering, tagging, a timeline index etc. etc. etc., those moments are extremely short lived.”
So apparently X is now capable of filtering, tagging, and assigning roles automatically, taking no time whatsoever. I must have missed that update. Or did you mean that once you spent the time necessary on the front end things went smoothly. But of course that’s time that need not be spent at all on other systems, so maybe the speed you talk of isn’t as speedy as it sounds.
[Robin S. Kurz] “Exponentially shorter than with any other NLE I have ever used. And yes, I’ve used them all at some point or another during the last 20+ years, thank you.”
Even you can’t possibly expect anyone to take that statement seriously, can you. I doubt you could name 20 of the fifty or so NLEs of the past 20+ years let alone have used them. But lets assume you meant to say you have used many of the major NLEs of the past 20 years. How is it faster to know what’s on a trackless track where you have to highlight individual roles or look at index’s then it is to know what’s on a timeline with dedicated tracks where you know what something is merely by it’s position?
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “So apparently X is now capable of filtering, tagging, and assigning roles automatically”
Erm… yeah. I guess you DID miss that update. They’re called Folders and Finder Tags. Or even EVENT filter settings, which require zero changes or additional input to work accordingly.
[Herb Sevush] “Or did you mean that once you spent the time necessary on the front end things went smoothly.”
You mean, as you said, as with any other NLE? Yeah. That is… at least to a point. Only that once IN the X I have many more additional options than elsewhere. And even various previous work I do in the Finder is completely ignored by any other NLE, such as the aforementioned Finder Tags. But again, you’re clearly missing information and correlating knowledge. No biggie.
[Herb Sevush] “[Robin S. Kurz] “Exponentially shorter than with any other NLE I have ever used”
Even you can’t possibly expect anyone to take that statement seriously”
The speed? Certainly no one that has little to no experience actually working with X, no.
But of course you would take the “all” literally. Have I ever edited on Movie Maker. No, you’re right, I haven’t. Mea culpa. I was talking about those on the Mac for one, and also any that are “relevant” or were considered to be at some point. I’ll let you figure out which those could be. So yeah, wow, you totally got me.
[Herb Sevush] “How is it faster to know what’s on a trackless track where you have to highlight individual roles or look at index’s then it is to know what’s on a timeline”
Huh? I don’t in fact give a hoot which role any audio has until maybe EXPORT. And there’s actually more info to go on, if needed, than just waveforms btw. In case you missed that, too. 😀
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] ” Have I ever edited on Movie Maker. No, you’re right, I haven’t. Mea culpa. I was talking about those on the Mac for one, and also any that are “relevant” or were considered to be at some point.”
Ahh, only Mac NLE’s. So in your world everything is just apples to oranges.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf
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