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[Robin S. Kurz] “Certainly no one that has little to no experience actually working with X, no.”
Bingo!
Scott Witthaus
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[Scott Witthaus] “[Robin S. Kurz] “Certainly no one that has little to no experience actually working with X, no.”
Bingo!”
Right? Since how would they know that e.g. clips can be optionally shown by their assigned roles in the timeline, if they actually knew what they were talking about and not just arguing without rhyme nor reason. ;))
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Right?”
Now, now Robin. You could have stopped right there and we would have all got it! 😉
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
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Nah. It clearly shouldn’t have started to begin with. 😛
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “clips can be optionally shown by their assigned roles in the timeline, if they actually knew what they were talking about and not just arguing without rhyme nor reason.”
Pardon my ignorance, I know I’m not supposed to ask questions because I’ve never used X, but didn’t you previously state that you only used roles for export?
“I don’t in fact give a hoot which role any audio has until maybe EXPORT.”
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/78456
If so, then how could it help you during the actual edit?
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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Herb,
Roles has both organizational and “reporting” functions.
You setup your Roles categories. Then as you create or import assets you assign them into those categories.
During the edit, the Timeline Index allows you to search or visually highlight the clips in your storyline BY Role – so during an edit, if you want to do something with JUST your titles – you could select the Titles Role and isolate just those assets, no matter where on the storyline they’re hiding or, for example, how small they might be.
Then the big deal is during export, where if you’ve created roles (or sub-roles) for elements such as dialog, music, titles, etc, you can export various combinations of visuals and/or audio by choosing which roles to enable during the export and which to omit.
Hope that helps.
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[Bill Davis] “Roles has both organizational and “reporting” functions.”
That was very clear and concise, and it also matches what I understood before. I have only 2 points to make about roles – They are not automatic as some time must be spent assigning clips to their roles and also that using a timeline index is not as instantaneous as merely looking at a tracked timeline. I understand that time spent assigning roles can pay dividends in many ways and also that using the timeline index is not laborious, however to deny that tracks have any organizational advantages whatsoever seems a bit extreme.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “I understand that time spent assigning roles can pay dividends in many ways and also that using the timeline index is not laborious, however to deny that tracks have any organizational advantages whatsoever seems a bit extreme.
“The thing is, nobody’s saying that tracks have NO advantages. .
Just that those advantages may actually have less importance than they once did before something like Roles was available to do a huge part of the work that tracks used to have to do.
You’re conditioned to “seeing” tracks. So the lack of that feels like a loss. Most of us get that – and respect it.
But you also have to see now that there are increasing numbers of guys who have lived with Tracks for the bulk of their careers, who’ve now gone “trackless” via X and honestly feel that instead of losing capabilities – they’ve actually gained new capabilities worth far more than what they’ve lost.
Doesn’t make it Gospel. But it certainly is worth noting. That’s all.
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[Bill Davis] “The thing is, nobody’s saying that tracks have NO advantages. . “
No, somebody was.
[Bill Davis] “But you also have to see now that there are increasing numbers of guys who have lived with Tracks for the bulk of their careers, who’ve now gone “trackless” via X and honestly feel that instead of losing capabilities – they’ve actually gained new capabilities worth far more than what they’ve lost. “
I agree with this statement without reservations.
Gaining more than you’ve lost is the point of this whole discussion and everyone should evaluate their workflow to see which NLE gains them the most and loses them the least, but to believe there are no trade-offs is just silly.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “[Bill Davis] “The thing is, nobody’s saying that tracks have NO advantages. . ”
No, somebody was.”
Really? Who exactly? Sure would love to see that quote. Oddly I’ve gone through the entire thread and can’t see that anyone ever did.
[Herb Sevush] “Gaining more than you’ve lost”
So again: what have I lost? I keep forgetting. Seeing that you’re so steadfast on the subject to the point of a crusade, you must have a whole long list of things you’ve been keeping from us the whole time?
[Herb Sevush] “but to believe there are no trade-offs is just silly.”
Silly is to suggest that there are any whilst failing to actually name so much as one. I have yet to hear of any, other than mere assumptions based on personal preference/inexperience/hearsay. Not factual or technical “trade-offs” by any stretch.
But then I have no idea how anyone that doesn’t even have any practical production work experience with X to begin with can even presume that they could be the judge of losses or gains either way.
– RK
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