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Still not happy with titles in FCP
Hello,
I’m working in FCP 4.5. The titles just are not even close to acceptable as most people I’ve spoken to have agreed with. I have had some good suggestions that gave me more control of formatting of the titles but the final image is just truly unuseable in my opinion.
I have been working in 8-bit uncompressed for some 24P HD projects shot on a varicam and also just completed a project shot in DVCPro 24P using the easy set-up DVCPRO 24P setting (All settings being remembered from memory, I always have used the settings AJA told me to to go along with my Kona-2 setup) This being said I am trying to keep the quality high. I know I could be working in 10-bit uncompressed but the fact that I have many many hours of video going on the drive has me keeping things down.
In these last particular projects the final output is going to be down to Beta-SP because that is what the stations are requesting, but I would like to know the solution to my titling questions up to HD finishing.
Thank you in advance for your responses.
Take care,
Rich Sims
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9 Replies
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Are you using the regular FCP Titler or the Boris Title 3D titler? The FCP version is terrible, the Title 3D is very clean as it uses vector based titles.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Creative Genius, Biscardi Creative Media
https://www.biscardicreative.comNow in Production, “The Rough Cut,” https://www.theroughcutmovie.com
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Rich,
What Walt sayss is true, but personally, I do most of my titles in Photoshop. I also really like the new CHV text collection plugins. They have all kinds of neat bells and whistles built in, like multiple outlines, glows etc., really cool, easy to use and cheap too.
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Rich,
The best way to get the most out of the codec is to put the most in. If you use a vector based titler (like boris) or photoshop files or Illustrator via AE for titles there will still be a loss whn you are going to the DVCPROHD codec. It was designed to make images look fantastic and sometime graphics suffer.
Since these shows are going to Beta SP why not consider rendering out a 10 bit uncompressed SD sequence and doing your titling on that? That way you get the benifit of clean titles. Any compressed title will suffer because its just a 72 dpi image.
The only other thing I would experiment with in the DCVPROHD codec would be to use some sharpening filters on the text or try a natress smoothing filter. EXPERIMENT a bit, see what happens.
David
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[David Battistella] “there will still be a loss whn you are going to the DVCPROHD codec. It was designed to make images look fantastic and sometime graphics suffer.”
Actually, I’ve found the DVCPro HD codec to be completely pristine for graphics and After Effects animations. I was pleasantly surprised by this and in some cases, the graphics look even cleaner than the video.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Creative Genius, Biscardi Creative Media
https://www.biscardicreative.comNow in Production, “The Rough Cut,” https://www.theroughcutmovie.com
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Walter,
I agree with you. One of the fisrt tests I did with DVCPROHD was with moving boris titles around. I thought the exact same thing. The codecs perform beautifully. I assume that the codec was primarily designed as an aquisition codec so it is most likely optimized for moving (camera) images. There is a huge difference between Boris and the FCP titles. So hopefully that is all the problem is/was.
David
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If you want quality titles use LiveType!
Steve Connor
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Just a thought,
Have you adjusted the ‘motion filtering’ options under the ‘video processing’ tab in the timeline options window (Apple – 0 (zero))
When I use ‘high’ quality and then add a drop shaodw in the motion tab, half my the text types I create (3D text as quicktimes, and some other graphics files) raise up half a line or so and look awful. It doesn’t happen on the FCP internal text generator or photoshop files.
PS I try to format the text exactly where it will end up on screen, to avoid any repositioning or resizing in FCP.
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Hi Walter and everyone,
Thanks for the reply. Yes I am using Boris’ 3D titler and indeed it is better than apples text. Here’s what I’m seeing. Nice crisp text when still. After rendering when I play the text compresses in hieght a bit and blurs out, in an unhelpful way. I have gone into the video processing tab, as Duncan suggested, and fooled around with that a bit all to no avail. Also had a suggestion that in the motion tab, if I had moved the title to make sure I had moved it to an even number, still no difference. Evan tried to not reposition, and again a squish and blur happens.
Any help would still be greatly helpful. I do have AE but would love not to have to go out in every instance, especially for check copies.
Thanks,
Rich Sims -
Hi Duncan,
I am a bit confused. As I understand FCP is working in RGB correct? I would use the high precision YUV if importing text created elsewhere or am I indeed creating YUV when using Boris’ titler?
Thanks,
Rich
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