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still driving me nuts
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And does it exist if no editor is there to work on it?
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[David Roth Weiss] “And, for the record, one of the primary reasons the learning curve for X is longer than most other NLEs is because, not only did Apple change the paradigm, they also changed the lexicon, making the learning curve exponentially longer and more complicated, especially for those with the most experience.”
And that is precisely why I call it immature.
i think these people are young and ignorant and half of them have never heard of Walter Murch or Sergei Eisenstein.
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[James Culbertson] “t probably did take me an extra 5 minutes to absorb the different terminology, and a day or two to understand the new interface and some of the major workflow changes. It took me awhile to get up to speed, but no more than when I started editing on AVID after working tape to tape, or FCP legacy after working on AVID. But I only have 20 years experience editing, perhaps if I had 30 or 40 years of experience I might feel different. I totally understand the irritation with the changed terminology, but this really feels like it is being dragged out of proportion.”
For you maybe but it is a pretty major issue for many of us you might agree?
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[James Culbertson] “It probably did take me an extra 5 minutes to absorb the different terminology, and a day or two to understand the new interface and some of the major workflow changes. It took me awhile to get up to speed, but no more than when I started editing on AVID after working tape to tape, or FCP legacy after working on AVID. But I only have 20 years experience editing, perhaps if I had 30 or 40 years of experience I might feel different. I totally understand the irritation with the changed terminology, but this really feels like it is being dragged out of proportion.”
Agree with this entirely.
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[James Ewart] “For you maybe but it is a pretty major issue for many of us you might agree?”
Timelines being called projects is a major issue for you?
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[James Ewart] “For you maybe but it is a pretty major issue for many of us you might agree?”
On this list yes. But all editors I know outside of this discussion board (even those who were intellectually resistant initially) found it to be a non-issue once they started to learn how to use FCPX.
It would be interesting to quantify what percentage of editors find FCPX (and its terminology) hard to grok and what percentage do not.
My guess is most editors don’t care one way or the other. They are either using it or not.
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[Steve Connor] “Timelines being called projects is a major issue for you?”
Yes. I have to communicate with people audio, colourists, finishers.
One language is simpler. Pointless inventing another. Immature.
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[James Culbertson] “My guess is most editors don’t care one way or the other. They are either using it or not.”
My guess is your guess is wrong.
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Take a look at this tutorial as an example of Apple using the word timeline. It’s not the window; it’s the timeline.
https://support.apple.com/kb/PH12547?locale=en_US
When you create a new library it auto creates an event but no timeline (project). The window as a place holder is still there.
Now this language is almost insane: “Append clips to your project in the Timeline.” “To add clips to the Timeline do one of the following: …” So your appending the project but adding to a timeline? No, because an append edit is not an insert or connect edit which also adds the the timeline. Also “append clips to your project in the timeline” almost sounds like the timeline is a window of the project. Bottom line is it’s redundant to the point of absurd.
The only thing I can think of is that FC allows each clip to open in its own timeline and you can create sequences in that timeline which would not be the Project’s timeline.
Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Canon 5D Mark III/70D, Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV40, Sony Z7U/VX2000/PD170; FCP 6 certified; FCP X write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.
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[James Ewart] “Yes. I have to communicate with people audio, colourists, finishers.
“So give us an example of how confusion may arise when communicating with say a Colourist?
[James Ewart] “One language is simpler. Pointless inventing another. Immature.”
I agree, it does seem stupid to change the name, I’m just finding it difficult to see how it’s a major problem.
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