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still driving me nuts
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[Darren Roark] “By that logic, a project or a timeline should have been called a reel. Ha!
“The issue isn’t that Apple used a different word for timeline. After all, Avid uses “timeline” and FCP7 used “sequence”.
The issue is that they used a word that already has an established meaning within the editing sub-culture. If they’d called it a “Clippering” or a “Bazoola” confusion wouldn’t exist. But imagine if Avid started calling a timeline, a “subclip”.
People may not like the names, Library or Event, but they’re not confused when talking about it with others. But it’s difficult to tell when you’re talking with someone and they refer to “project”, whether they’re talking about the timeline, or the entire she-bang.
Andy
https://plus.google.com/u/0/107277729326633563425/videos
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Still scratching my head still trying to figure why Apple decided to throw me in a state of confusion. So much, that I might have switch over to Resolve, at least their language makes sense. Darn if Apple did not to put a lump of pebbles in my shoe. I now feel like a dinosaur. Ugh!
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I believe Apple refers to the window as the timeline, not the content within the window. That’s still the project. If you look at the Event Browser, it separates clips and projects. Are you more confused now? 😉
FWIW – Sony also calls timelines “projects” in Vegas. You can only have one timeline/sequence/project for any given open instance of Vegas; however, you can have multiple instances of Vegas open.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Andy Neil] “After all, Avid uses “timeline” and FCP7 used “sequence”.
“Avid calls it a “sequence”, too. “Timeline” refers to the UI window, same as FCP X.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[James Culbertson] “This has nothing to do with Apple and everything to do with personal linguistic stuckness. Time to take personal responsibility and move on, or accept that you personally cannot or do not want to change”
Sorry, but that’s pure BS James. Nomenclature in this business, like standards, was designed so that individuals all over the world can communicate accurately, period, end of story.
When you start to make the kinds of changes to long-standing universal terms as Apple has chosen to do in X, all you get is confussion, misunderstanding, and inaccuracy, which are antithetical to good communication.
Even the most ardent Apple fanboys acknowledge that the initial rollout of X was a huge mistake, the decision to change the universally accepted and understood terminology of film and video was Apple’s second biggest screwup per X – if neither of those mistakes were made I seriously doubt there would be any of the controversy surrounding X, and it would probably have been much more widely accepted than it was initially or than it is today, four years later.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss ProductionsDavid is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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Do you think if we we all signed a petition they might …. just might … climb down on this one?
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I changed jobs and had to go from saying “timeline” or “sequence” to saying “Tracksheet”. Can you guess the system? I still catch myself saying that sometimes.
I was perfectly happy with “Edit Decision List” until these silly “Non-Linear Editing” systems came about. Why did they have to go and change a perfectly good naming system. I had reels and I may have even assigned them reel numbers (or sometimes names) and I may have saved my E-Mems for my transitions or my K-Scope effects to a floppy disk. Yeah, where the hell is my floppy? Bins? What, are we a K-Mart? Arrrggghhhh!
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[Oliver Peters] “I believe Apple refers to the window as the timeline, not the content within the window. That’s still the project. If you look at the Event Browser, it separates clips and projects. Are you more confused now? 😉
FWIW – Sony also calls timelines “projects” in Vegas. You can only have one timeline/sequence/project for any given open instance of Vegas; however, you can have multiple instances of Vegas open.”
I can never understand who you manage to keep your head around all the different NLEs Oliver. You are a veritable NLE polyglot.
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Nope.
They were right in my opinion to adapt to using new (or even existing) nomenclature in new ways. If an editor could see the value of the new concepts – the range-based keywording system – the magnetic storyline – the timeline index!!! (see, timelines are STILL in X – there’s an index of them and an oft used “open in timeline” command thats VERY functional!) then they would have to ADAPT!
The language signaled that loud and clear.
The reason they have Storylines and call Projects Projects instead of calling timelines projects isn’t an accident, IMO. It’s a calculated decision to construct a new set of ideas and adapt the existing the language to reflect that.
You want to hang onto the old language, knock yourself out.
Figure out what YOU want the word EVENT to mean. Shoot? Wedding? Job? Episode? And adopt an NLE that agrees with you.
But don’t presume to tell me or any other editor what it MUST mean in order for my terminology to be “correct.”
Not in a world where NOBODY had a super useful TAGGABLE RANGE in a video NLE until X.
Anybody who invents new processes or even adapts older ones into new systems (hover scrub???) gets to name them as they like. That’s how this stuff works.
my 2 cents.
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[Bill Davis] “The reason they have Storylines and call Projects Projects instead of calling timelines projects isn’t an accident, IMO. It’s a calculated decision to construct a new set of ideas and adapt the existing the language to reflect that.”
Absolutely get that. But the thing that I called “immature” (somebody took exception to that but I think it is) was their decision to take a word in common parlance within the editing community (and the previous version of their NLE) and use it to describe something quite different. “Project”.
Yes they are nailing the colours to the mast an good on ’em but to use the existing word “project” for a “Sequence” has not done anybody any good (least of all them) and serves no constructive purpose.
They could have called it a “Timeline” in the Event browser or “Edit” or even “My Movie”. Just not “Project” please it has caused so much confusion and here we are still talking about it.
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