still driving me nuts

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Mike Warmels] “Normally I don’t have to make them. We do the final stuff at the broadcaster who makes the broadcast master (MXF). But working in AVID I can make them in my own editing set. Sometimes it’s just faster that way, just upload them to an ftp server. So it’s not a real issue, I just find it odd. (Because FCP7 could…and can. 😉 )”

I am very confused. FCP7 could not make MXFs without third party help. What recipe of MXF are you trying to make? There are 71 available presets that come preinstalled in FCPX. None of these will work for you?

Here’s the categories:

And here’s the available 25 fps settings:

[Mike Warmels] “So tell me, this is something I’d really like to know: you can actually make fcpxml’s in FCPX 10.2.1 that WORK in FCPX 10.1.4? Including all the audio data, audio selection, audio levels, fx etc. in tact? Because if that is the case, I’m going to upgrade this week. “

You will need to be more specific as I don’t know what you mean by “audio data” or “selection”.

[Robin S. kurz]

[Mike Warmels] “Maybe I should use the Tactic”

It’s actually TASTIC. But never mind. It’s not like we expect you to actually get anything factually right.

– RK

[Mike Warmels]

Well, I have to go on what editors tell me here. They said that in 10.1.4 you could make fcpxml’s, but it would just be very basic data. You know, you switch of audio channels in particular clips in the timeline/project (I often get XD-CAM stuff unwrapped to an HD422 Quicktime with all four channels duplicated), I often fade music in, or lower their levels. It just the kind of stuff you do as I work along, sort of premixing for viewings. So it would be helpful if the project in 10.1.4 would look exactly like the one you make in 10.2.1. Because otherwise, you’d have to do all that work again.

[Mike Warmels]

How constructive of you. You’re really the go-to-guy if I want to know how to do stuff in FCPX.

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Mike Warmels] “Well, I have to go on what editors tell me here.”

(!)

I use XML v1.4 to send to audio post a lot. In it, is all of my channel assignment, and level control if I choose to send that information. In this case, effects are not sent over as there’s no need.

Here’s an anecdotal example:

Very simple timeline in FCPX 10.2.1:

The same timeline imported via XML v1.4 export to FCPX 10.1.4 (this partition is not on the SAN, that’s why everything is offline, otherwise it would be online):

All levels and text are in place.

[Mike Warmels]

Oh right, well that looks very good.

Now another thing, if you don’t mind. Would that work moving back and forth between 10.1.4 and 10.2.1?

Sounds maybe like a silly question but I’m doing a series where we partly edit in my own editing suite and one at the broadcaster. And we do move back and forth (part of the reason why I can’t just upgrade like that)… Or would I be making it very hard for me that way?

[Jeremy Garchow]

If going the other way, I would simply make a transfer library from the 10.1.4 system.

So, 10.1.4 system makes a new library and drags the current Project in to the new library. You will get a waning about copying optimized and poxy media, uncheck those.

Close that library, zip it, and email it to you on 10.2.1. You open that library and say yes to the warning about updating it. Then you drag that Project to your current 10.2.1 library.

Jeremy

[David Roth weiss]

[Mike Warmels] “It’s just software that I and you all trying to make a living with. It’s not some damn religion…”

Don’t kid yourself Mike… The church of Apple may not gather to hold hands every Sunday, but it still exists nonetheless. It’s been compared to Scientolgy on this very forum, and I think you know why. 🙂

BTW, to counter some of the banter, just clone your boot drive to a FireWire drive, boot to the clone and update X to give it a whirl. It’s completely non-destructive. (***FYI, this only works to counter the banter of those legitimately interested in the furthering the debate, nothing ever soothes the true fanboys.)

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[Mike Warmels]

Yes, that would certainly work… hmm… Well, I have to think about, because going upward is not the issue, going downward is more the issue.

I just hope they hurry upgrading their SAN system Yosemite.

[Jeremy Garchow]

Cloning can be dangerous if you are a SAN. Be careful.

I much prefer to simply zip up the old apps, X, Motion and Compressor. Then update.

If you need to walk it back, export a v1.4 XML of the entire library and then delete the new apps, and unzip the old apps. It also good to keep an old version of the 10.1 library by duplicating it before opening 10.2