Steve Kanter: What FCPX CAN Do

[David Roth weiss]

[Steve Connor] “Sorry do we have to validate our opinions here now?”

Steve,

If Geoff Dills is going to make blanket statements about “pros,” you’re damned straight, he does have to qualify his opinion when asked to do so. As I said before, he has no frame of reference for knowing what professional editors think.
And, why pre tell would anyone here on the Creative Cow really care what a part time Home Makeover cameraman has to say about the mindset of professional editors in this context?

Let me remind you, before June 21st, 2011 people like you and Geoff came to the Cow when you had troubles so you could ask pros like myself, and like Walter, and like Shane, for our help when you needed it. Now, just because we disagree with you about FCP X are we all suddenly the enemy? There’s something very screwed-up about that.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.com

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POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.

[Steve Connor]

Wow, do you actually realise just how arrogant you sound?

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

Have you tried “Search Posts”? Enlightenment may be there.

[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Craig Seeman] “I think your bullet analogy has merit. It doesn’t quite hit either target but I think Apple’s aim will improve on hitting both targets though.”

(I cherry picked that quote and then some…)

I think apple know how to fashion really incredible software bullets, but the idea that they can fashion a single bullet to hit these two targets is sheer madness.
the two target minds have radically different levels of comprehensibility when it comes to editing – so apple have to allow for operability from a casual, easily confounded user and at the same time answer the needs of ten plus year editing pros?
You cannot have all levels of operation from the most casual to multi-decade professional contained within the one product.
that product cannot be made. there is no way to fashion it.

although god knows, we really are looking at the attempt.

on the camera analogy – it’s like asking canon to collapse their offerings into a single camera that can function as a mission critical professional dslr, while also being capable of being picked up and operated as an enhanced point and shoot for someone vaguely conversant with cameras.
Companies have product ranges with gradations of complexity for a reason.

It doesn’t matter how brilliantly you think about it, or how brilliantly you execute it – this single bullet simply cannot work. The attempt asks the wrong questions and sets the wrong task. You end up with FCPX.

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[David Roth weiss]

[Steve Connor] “Wow, do you actually realise just how arrogant you sound?”

Steve,

The entire second half of this thread is about a post which several people, myself included, have taken exception to, in which Geoff Dills wrote following:

“My sense is the “pros” saw their skillset value suddenly plummet in the market place (though I suspect that’s only in their own heads…the ability to use tools to tell stories will always be marketable) and have continually found any way they can to denigrate this software as “crap”.”

And you’re simply taking his side because he agrees with you. That’s really sad. And, if I’m arrogant for saying so, then I guess I’m going to have to live with it, because it is mighty sad.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.com

Don’t miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.

[Steve Connor]

No David my issue with you is that you launched into a personal and professional attack on someone who had simply voiced an opinion as it happens I don’t agree with his original point, but he’s allowed to make it.

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

Have you tried “Search Posts”? Enlightenment may be there.

[Chris Jacek]

[Geoff Dills] “So when I see everyone whining about how you can’t open legacy FCP7 projects in FCPX I am reminded of that. To me the solution is so simple: keep a machine with a partition with FCP7 around as long as you have legacy projects you need to work with. How hard would that be? Did Apple promise you that you would ALWAYS be able to open up a project in ANY future version of FCP? No. “

This is an incredibly big deal. It can also be agued that there IS an unwritten promise from every software provider that old projects will open in the next version. Maybe not every version, but definitely the NEXT version. Could you imagine Microsoft pulling the same crap with MS-Word? Microsoft even goes so far as writing patches that allow you to open newer files in an older version.

Can you think of ANY software update that does not open or convert the previous version’s files? Probably not, because that kind of irresponsibility would bankrupt most software companies.

Also, your use of the word whining is also offensive and inaccurate. It’s not whining when it’s a legitimate gripe. Or in your world, was Poland just whining about being invaded? (Note: This is not meant to be an equivalent analogy, but only to point out that not all complaints are “whining,” and those who suggest as much are being disingenuous)

Professor, Producer, Editor
and former Apple Employee

[Gary Huff]

[Steve Conner]No David my issue with you is that you launched into a personal and professional attack on someone who had simply voiced an opinion as it happens I don’t agree with his original point, but he’s allowed to make it.

Then why is David not allowed to make his point when Geoff’s was also a personal attack?

[Steve Connor]

[Gary Huff] “[Steve Conner]No David my issue with you is that you launched into a personal and professional attack on someone who had simply voiced an opinion as it happens I don’t agree with his original point, but he’s allowed to make it.

Then why is David not allowed to make his point when Geoff’s was also a personal attack?
“

I’m not sure he did attack anyone personally, are you referring to his comments about “pro’s”

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

Have you tried “Search Posts”? Enlightenment may be there.

[David Roth weiss]

Steve,

You really should go back and read the thread from the point at which Geoff enters the conversation. And, if you do, you will see that I asked him to qualify his knowledge of the inner workings of the minds of the “pros,” as he refers to He couldn’t answer, because he clearly has no frame of reference on the subject, and so he chose instead to attack me.

The fact is, I can be arrogant in this matter, because unlike Geoff Dills, I know what I’m talking about. And, I can and will support what I say in any number of ways if asked to do so. And, on top of that, I have a very lengthy history plastered all over the Internet which shows that not only do I know what I’m talking about, but that I’ve been willing to share it with others for years and years and years. It’s available for all to see.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.com

Don’t miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.

[Steve Connor]

[David Roth Weiss] “Geoff,

You’re clearly not a “pro” yourself, otherwise you would not put quotations around the word. So, what exactly makes you think that you have any idea what a pro thinks? And furthermore, since you have no actual frame of reference, why should anyone really care what you think about pros?

In fact, maybe you could be so kind as to tell me and the other Cow members here exactly what is it about Geoff Dills that should make us care about any of the words you write? Or, are you just like my dog, who licks his weenie just because he can?

“

I believe this personal attack came first, he was replying to this post.

Yes, you are a very experienced professional who has been incredibly helpful over the years on the Cow, no-one is questioning that, I just think you do not need to resort to posts like the one above, when pursuing an argument?

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

Have you tried “Search Posts”? Enlightenment may be there.