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Steve Kanter: What FCPX CAN Do
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Funny you say that cause I could not do a 3D Animayion with Avid! Does this make Avid not a pro tool?
lolI have another one for you when Flash came out it was said not use on professional or industrial web sites do it’s lack of Compatibility (plugin needed). What is your take on that!
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Andree, your post makes no sense at all.
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My experience gives me a VERY good point of view.
I’ve watched as tape formats came and went, edit systems came and went and seen this industry change. I’m not knocking anyone for feeling bad about what’s happened, I’m knocking their response.
When we went from 3/4 inch tape to betacam no one cried, “How do I play my old tapes on this new machine?” because it would be stupid.
So when I see everyone whining about how you can’t open legacy FCP7 projects in FCPX I am reminded of that. To me the solution is so simple: keep a machine with a partition with FCP7 around as long as you have legacy projects you need to work with. How hard would that be? Did Apple promise you that you would ALWAYS be able to open up a project in ANY future version of FCP? No. It’s akin to folks getting their knickers in a twist when old software won’t work with new operating systems. When you buy something, all you SHOULD expect is that it does what it does TODAY and continues to do that. Anything else is gravy in my book.
The other argument that gets me annoyed is the “until it has proper video out it’s not pro.” I was under the assumption MOST pros would use external software to color grade. So the “pros” are doing their own color grading inside FCP? Oh, it must be the “lesser pros” who do that. See where this leads when you try to define “pro”?
There is a growing number of people who “get” FCPX and are finding all the ways to get the job done using it. I do feel for all those who think they’ve been screwed, but like the Eagles’ song says, “Get Over It”.
Best,
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No offense, but what on earth are you talking about. I’m guessing that you are not following the through line of the thread.
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[Geoff Dills]When we went from 3/4 inch tape to betacam no one cried, “How do I play my old tapes on this new machine?” because it would be stupid.
Frankly, I’m amazed that you didn’t give the slightest thought to this analogy before writing it down for all to see. That’s an entirely different format change, not a new 3/4 Tape Deck that doesn’t play 3/4 Inch Tapes anymore.
Besides, I think you are placing more importance on the backwards compatibility that the user group here is. Apple killed their own product, leaving no room for transition (puts you in quite a pickle if you need new seats) while leaving a product that does not have the same functionality THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE JOB AT HAND. How many times do we have to go over this point? Too much ignorance floating around here with the rabid FCPX fanbase it seems.
BTW, nothing you’ve said about your experience in any way validates your opinion.
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[Craig Seeman] “Far too many FCPX features are not geared towards “average consumer.” It’s missing many higher end features but there are quite a few already included. I doubt the “average consumer” has the need for the quality scopes included. Most “consumers” have no use for 4K resolution support either. Subframe audio editing is also something that most “consumer” wouldn’t use. “Consumers” certainly don’t need the detailed implementation of metadata support.
“yessss – but. doesn’t all that, taken along with the – hold it with mittens, don’t detach the audio – prosumer nature of the timeline, starting at 0 with no bars, no video out.. doesn’t that simply mean that apple fired a bullet that they hoped to hit two targets with five hundred yards apart?
I mean isn’t that the point? it’s a schizophrenic software release. one piece of softwware cannot simultaneously be both a successful prosumer/consumer product and also a truly professional product. That just can’t realistically happen.
Gruber had it right in the talk show – in apple’s new lingo – pro simply means a souped up version of the consumer product. it happened to aperture, and it just happened, radically, to final cut pro.
we were always going to get the yellow bounding box – thor could not have stopped that – because that is what imovie on the iphone, the ipad and the desktop have – we will never have core paradigms that exist outside of their consumer software. and that is problematic.
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[David Roth Weiss] “Geoff,
You’re clearly not a “pro” yourself, otherwise you would not put quotations around the word. So, what exactly makes you think that you have any idea what a pro thinks? And furthermore, since you have no actual frame of reference, why should anyone really care what you think about pros?
In fact, maybe you could be so kind as to tell me and the other Cow members here exactly what is it about Geoff Dills that should make us care about any of the words you write? Or, are you just like my dog, who licks his weenie just because he can?
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I thought we didn’t do personal attacks here on the Cow, because that reads just like one.
Steve Connor
Adrenalin TelevisionHave you tried “Search Posts”? Enlightenment may be there.
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[Gary Huff]
Besides, I think you are placing more importance on the backwards compatibility that the user group here is. Apple killed their own product, leaving no room for transition (puts you in quite a pickle if you need new seats) while leaving a product that does not have the same functionality THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE JOB AT HAND. How many times do we have to go over this point? Too much ignorance floating around here with the rabid FCPX fanbase it seems.BTW, nothing you’ve said about your experience in any way validates your opinion.
“Sorry do we have to validate our opinions here now?
Steve Connor
Adrenalin TelevisionHave you tried “Search Posts”? Enlightenment may be there.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “but. doesn’t all that, taken along with the – hold it with mittens, don’t detach the audio – prosumer nature of the timeline, starting at 0 with no bars, no video out.. doesn’t that simply mean that apple fired a bullet that they hoped to hit two targets with five hundred yards apart?”
It means FCPX is missing important features. Given what it has, many of the others are likely to happen. Apple has said they’ll be adding timecode start time on export I believe.
Personally I also think some of the missing features are severe enough to be a problem for “prosumers” as well. It’s just plain missing important stuff. But I also believe, after seeing lots of evidence, that Apple will be adding much of the missing features “Pros” need.
I think your bullet analogy has merit. It doesn’t quite hit either target but I think Apple’s aim will improve on hitting both targets though.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “one piece of softwware cannot simultaneously be both a successful prosumer/consumer product and also a truly professional product. That just can’t realistically happen.”
It can happen. It’s just not there yet. Part of it comes from additional features and part of it will involve GUI improvements. I think Apple’s goal is do be able to be as rough or as finished as the user needs. It’s a goal they haven’t met yet . . . but I think it’ll be a lot closer by next year. I think their APIs (many of them just getting out the door) and implementation of their XML replacement will take things much further.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “we will never have core paradigms that exist outside of their consumer software. and that is problematic.”
I wouldn’t say “never.” There’s a long history of “consumer” features becoming standard “pro” tools in video. Just look at the LCD monitor built into your professional camera.
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[Leo Hans] “Perhaps they should rehearsal their presentations before going on stage.”
Sometimes the brain doesn’t cooperate. I’ve seen this happen to many presenters. I guess what’s odd is there’s often an advanced user in the audience who can shout out the fix. With FCPX that’s less likely given the nascent nature of it all.
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