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Splitting multi-channel audio into discrete left and right tracks?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “You don’t.”
Great for export. Not for monitoring. FCPX doesn’t do alternating L/R (Avid), which is the workflow I need for both
Not going to waste my time on roles. Even the guy at Apple wrote this in an email to me:
Assigning roles before editing is completely optional.
Cutting a package with narration, SOT, and nats shouldn’t require renaming tracks in any NLE or assigning roles in FCPX. Just seems like an extra, wasted step to me.
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I know it seems wasted, but it is literally patching all of your audio before you edit.
It’s necessary, useful, and takes seconds.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Overlaps (or split edits, which I linked to the manual earlier, did you take the time to read?) look like this:”
Yep. Mine look like this:
Problem?
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Not a problem. You said something couldn’t be done, I showed you how it could.
If you needed to mute Roles, you do this:
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you need to use roles to accomplish what you wish to accomplish. does the broadcaster require audio panned l&r or would they also accept a multi-track quicktime? i find these days that most people are ok with a multi-track qt (thus rendering panned masters unnecessary).
once you get used to the new workflow, it’s super easy. so, instead of placing audio on specific tracks in the timeline, try this:
select modify from the top menu and then edit roles…
select the plus buton from the bottom left and then select New Audio Role
create an audio role called NATSOT-INTV
and then create another one called VO
when you import all your field footage, you already know what’s nat-sot and what’s interview.
select all the nat-sot and interview clips in the event and give those clips a NATSOT-INTV role in the audio inspector.
select all the vo aiff’s in the event and give those clips a VO role in the audio inspector.this entire process takes about 20 seconds or less once you do it a couple times. the main thing to remember is that you have to do this every time you import footage. so if you’re working on a spot and footage comes in mid-way through the edit, be sure to apply the natsot-intv role or the vo role right after you import. otherwise, you’ll have to do that on the individual clips in the timeline. again, the key here is to apply to roles to the clips in the event, not in the timeline. it’ll be much easier this way.
now when you’re editing you don’t need to worry about panning. just open the timeline index, select the role tab and mute the natsot-intv role when you want to listen to vo. vice versa for natsot or interview. everything will always be center panned.
i find that my mixes are much easier and much better when i don’t have to pan audio left and right. i can see both channels on the stereo vu. they’re always true. because when i pan something to one side, the levels are always different and i have raise or lower them. i save time with mixing doing it this way with roles.
other people have mentioned this – but now when you export, just select multitrack quicktime movie and select natsot-intv for one of the tracks and vo for the other track. you’ll end up with a file with 2 separated audio tracks. one for vo and one for natsot/interview. you can even save this export setting as a preset so you don’t have to set it up each time. note that the exported files will not be panned l and r. instead, you’ll get a quicktime file that has two totally separate and discreet audio channels.
the speed increases will come while you’re editing since you don’t have to place specific audio on specific tracks. and the speed increases also occur when exporting. export times in fcpx are very fast.
oh also you might want to create a template library with the roles already set up. the roles default back to dialogue, music and effects when you create a new library and there are no other libraries opened up. that’ll shave another 15 seconds.
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[James Cude] “you need to use roles to accomplish what you wish to accomplish.”
Not according to Apple. I didn’t set a single role for either of the package cuts I did and got where I needed to be. If my employer decides we will have to use roles, then I’ll use them. Right now, I don’t want or need to learn them. Too much to deal with just to slap clips down on a timeline to get the piece out.
Don’t like X. It ain’t Avid.
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Roles are just like green eggs and ham. Try them try them!
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[Bret Williams] “Roles are just like green eggs and ham. Try them try them!”
LOL! That was pretty good! 😉
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I will not try roles dual mono.
I will not try them I’m Mr Lowe—
Well I’m Mr Garchow and I’m here to say
Roles dual mono is a really great way—
I will not try them without tracks
How can you not see what this program lacks
I will not try them without pan
I will not try them you silly man—
One day you will like fcpx
Mark my words you won’t miss tracks
It’s not avid, this we know
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Sorry Phil, I just got back to the thread and read like 20 posts from Jeremy, you, and Jeff and absolutely not one single new thing was said except for minor differences in the phrasing and no matter what was said or how it was suggested you just said you will not will not use them! 🙂 And since I have a 5 and 8 year old, of course the first thing that came to mind was green eggs and ham.
But leave it to Jeremy to get creative with it! Somehow I was counting on him. Now if I can just trick him into cutting my next project for me…
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