Sony vegas will not support MOV files???

[John Rofrano]

[Graham Bradfield] ” I bought it again 3 weeks ago … The reason I bought the same one was I was used to it and was very happy at the time”

Three weeks ago the latest version of Movie Studio HD Platinum is version 11 and you bought 9 which is two versions old and are wondering why it doesn’t work with your new camera??? Never buy old software. Things are moving too fast in technology to buy anything old.

~jr

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[Dave Haynie]

Some of it’s just history. When most digital still camera makers decided to support video, they took the path of least resistance. They already had camera processor chips that could generate JPEG, so they supported Motion JPEG.

But, of course, it has to go into a wrapper. The problem was, there is no standard for MJPEG on Video for Windows… different vendors produced different incompatible versions, and Microsoft never bothered with it. But Apple had standardized MJPEG under Quicktime. So that’s why so many digital cameras create .mov files.

And many stuck with it when moving to AVC. And why not — they had the encapsulation code done already (though the MPEG-4 container is very, very similar, having been derived from Quicktime), and Apple already supported H.264 encapsulation.

Then there’s AVCHD. Some HDSLR/EVIL manufacturers do use AVCHD… Panasonic, for one, on at least some cameras. But the bit rate in AVCHD is limited to a peak of 24Mb/s (goes to 28Mb/s for 1080/60p in AVCHD 2.0, but that’s very new). But video out of my Canon 60D can go to 45Mb/s or thereabouts. The AVCHD format is no match for this, and I do think I’d rather have the higher quality video than an easier standard. Wouldn’t kill them to offer an AVCHD mode… or for that matter, continuous video (the Canons all stop recording after 4GB, even on exFAT file systems, which like NTFS and ext4 can support gigantic files).

-Dave

[Graham Bradfield]

I will admit you are right I should have checked , Movie studio HD 9 worked great for my old Panasonic video camera and I do like using Sony Vegas even though it older version, I’ll just have to find a good free AVS converter

[Bob Dix]

Hi John,

You are so right Sony Vegas Studio HD Platinum 11 @ $119 AU is a very good buy, after a trial it ran circles around the equivalent Adobe Product and excellent on H.264mov 1920x 1080p clips out of a Canon 5D Mark II & the Stabilizer is a winner.

Freelance Imaging & Video
AUSTRALIA

[Daniel Decarli]

Hello. Can I share my thoughts too?
Well before reading this try installing the K-lite Codec Pack found here:
https://fileforum.betanews.com/download/KLite-Codec-Pack_Full/1094057842/3
And test it rendering the MOV file to make sure it works well and there aren’t any colors changes(it happens sometimes).

I have Sony Vegas HD Platinum 11 and the most updated version now is 11.0.295. I have had quite a bit of problems with codecs in Vegas. I had problems with footage captured from free screen recorders. Every single one of them is not fully compatible with Vegas(either the program crashes or the colors are not what are supposed to be). And I’m talking about MOVs, WMVs, AVIs with AVCs and all this basic stuff. Although I was able to edit my AVCHD camcorder’s videos very well(thanks God) I am getting to a point where I’m seeing myself buying a video converter. All those free video converters I’ve tried and were not able to encode to a codec that Vegas handles AND doesn’t loose quality(not even raising the bit rate to 20mbps). So either the video came up to be enormously BIG or had a low quality.
In conclusion I can’t trust on Sony Vegas to do the job. Also you will encounter many more different codecs from videos that Vegas won’t be allowed to work with. I’m still trying to find the video converter.

[John Rofrano]

[Daniel DeCarli] “Well before reading this try installing the K-lite Codec Pack found here:”

STOP! Never, ever, ever install a codec-pak on a video editing workstation. It will cause all sorts of problems with Vegas. Codec-paks are good got people who just want to watch all sorts of videos and never worry about codecs. They are terrible for people who want to edit video because they conflict with the codecs that your video editing program expects to find.

[Daniel DeCarli] “I have had quite a bit of problems with codecs in Vegas.”

I’m guessing your installation of codec-paks is the root cause of this.

[Daniel DeCarli] “In conclusion I can’t trust on Sony Vegas to do the job. “

If you install Sony Vegas on clean installation of Windows without any codec-paks, your problems should go away. Then only install the single codec that you need for a particular video. Installing a codec pak is like taking every pill in your medicine cabinet in hopes that one will cure you. (one might… but the rest could kill you)

Here is what a codec-pak does… it blindly replaces all of the high quality codecs that you paid money to Sony for, with low/questionable quality free alternatives. You can’t blame Sony for this. It’s not Sony’s fault that you’ve replaced their codecs with alternatives that don’t work. The codecs that ship with Vegas work fine if you don’t replace them. If you need additional codecs, add only the one or two that you need that don’t come with Vegas. This is the proper way to manage codecs.

~jr

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[Dave Haynie]

A CODEC Pack is never a good idea on anyone’s PC. Not that most video professionals don’t already know these aren’t safe for editing machine use, but they’re generally bad news.

But we’re likely to get asked this stuff. Just as if you’re a computer expert, the “civilians” expect you to know pretty much everything about every computer, the fact that I know how to shoot video and deliver a nicely produced result leads friends and family to assume I know pretty much everything about video.

Anyway, if you’re trying to help your Mom or Uncle Bob or whoever watch some weird video, try VLC first. The VLC player has support for practically every video CODEC known to mankind, but it’s all done privately — they don’t get installed as VfW or DirectShow or Quicktime CODECs. So they stay out of the way of things that actually need to produce video.

-Dave

[Daniel Decarli]

Wow! Thanks a lot John Rofrano! Finally someone explained me that. Not even asking Vegas’ support I was able to solve my problem but you could. Thanks a lot for sharing it. Maybe that’s why I have been having trouble with codecs. DOH.
What I will try is to uninstall the Codec Pack completely and re-instal Vegas. That should work.
Anyways, for that guy trying to use his MOVs: wouldn’t converting your video solve the problem? Convert it to a WMV with its highest quality on quality mode(100%). This will create a file with almost no loss of quality and good compression(compared to uncompressed footage-and about three times the original file). A good free converter is hard to find but MediaCoder does a good job.

[John Rofrano]

[Daniel DeCarli] “Anyways, for that guy trying to use his MOVs: wouldn’t converting your video solve the problem?”

Yes, in fact, even converting it to another MOV file would sove his problem because the problem is NOT that Vegas can’t handle MOV files (it can), the problem is that his camera writes them improperly. So this is a camera problem not a software issue.

[Daniel DeCarli] “Convert it to a WMV with its highest quality on quality mode(100%).”

Actually WMV is one of the worst formats that you can convert to. WMV is a “delivery” format using high compression to obtain low file sizes optimized for playback. It is a horrible format to have to edit. I would convert it to something easy to edit like use MJPEG instead.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com

[Daniel Decarli]

I know WMVs are made for high compression rates. But, if you choose quality mode to 100% the loss of quality wont be much. You should try it. If you put it at 99% it’s no good but the quality is just perfect at 100%(it takes the bit rate to as high as it needs so that it doesn’t loose quality_something like 30mbps). My computer runs fast with WMV files. I have not tried though with MJPEG.
Thanks again for sharing.