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[Oliver Peters] “Unfortunately the problem with touch interfaces based on fingers instead of a stylus is that they require a fatter target area. This results in interfaces with larger buttons and less fine detail. Sony’s Catalyst software is an example of an interface designed to be touch-friendly. This might change in the future, but a lot of aspects of FCPX3’s new UI are not conducive to touch operation.”
That is my point. A lot will depend on the software. There are Mac users who use Illustrator and Photoshop and stated using the MS Surface Studio felt more natural than using a keyboard and mouse. I already stated FCPX might not be the best software for touch screen support as is. I am sure more and more professional software programs will take advantage of touch screen as well as the Surface Dial. The ability to use touch screen with surface controls will allow MS to offer the best of both worlds. I myself welcome the different options. Apple will force you to edit their way.
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[andy patterson] “Apple users may say touch screen is a waste of time but keep in mind they haven’t really used it. “
Gosh.
Swap “Apple users” in the abovequote for “the internet”
Then swap “touch screen” for “Touch Bar” –And you have totally described the end of of 2016 in on-line tech forums.
Of course this time it’s Microsoft looking to innovate – so it’s … different, I guess.
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[Bill Davis] “[andy patterson] “Apple users may say touch screen is a waste of time but keep in mind they haven’t really used it. ”
Gosh.
Swap “Apple users” in the abovequote for “the internet”
Then swap “touch screen” for “Touch Bar” –And you have totally described the end of of 2016 in on-line tech forums.
Of course this time it’s Microsoft looking to innovate – so it’s … different, I guess.”
Bill, remember how awesome the iPad was when they showed a DAW interface and showed that with the iPad you could raise and lower the fader for channel 1 as well as simultaneously muting channel 3 and 4? I admit I thought it was kind of cool to use it like a control surface. Remember how they showed the iPad being used as a sketch pad for artists? I admit I thought it was kind of cool. With MS we don’t have a mobile OS and a desktop OS. So if the iPad Pro is awesome just think Bill; the MS Surface is like an iPad Pro on steroids (Windows 10 and i7 CPU). I don’t see creative professionals wanting a Mac Book Pro with the touch bar. I do see them wanting the Surface Studio although it is to expensive for most people as of now but the price will drop. If it is awesome to use touch screen to raise and lower faders on the iPad as well draw, sketch and design on the iPad wouldn’t it make sense that all that stuff would be even more awesome using OS X (Sierra)?
[Bill Davis] “Of course this time it’s Microsoft looking to innovate – so it’s … different, I guess.”
Most people see MS’s paradigm as a tad bit superior to Apple’s paradigm.
MS’s Paradigm = MS gives the user the best of both worlds. One OS that does it all!
Apple’s paradigm = If you want to draw and sketch using a touch screen use our iOS. If you want a desktop OS to draw and sketch go use the MS Surface Pro. And that my friend is why many Mac users have opted for the Surface Pro : )
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[Michael Gissing] “And there are times when dedicated control hardware beats touch screen and keyboard/mouse.”
Sure. But take something like After Effects — I wonder what dedicated Ae control hardware would look like.
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[Walter Soyka] “I wonder what dedicated Ae control hardware would look like.”
It’s not dedicated to AE but there’s the modular Palette Gear thingy. It looks pretty neat.
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[Walter Soyka] “Sure. But take something like After Effects — I wonder what dedicated Ae control hardware would look like.”
Not sure as I am not AE proficient but the thing about designing software around dedicated hardware is that it needs to have the software optimised for the controller. It would change the software. Resolve has dedicated hardware that 99% of users never buy so the software has to be thought through for both.
Purely from an ergonomics view, without regard for speed, I can work much longer without fatigue on Fairlight than I can on Resolve and that is with the Tangent controller that gives me a fair bit of dedicated control. A lot of it is in the UI and the controller reducing eye movements and digging into menus.
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[andy patterson] “Apple’s paradigm = If you want to draw and sketch using a touch screen use our iOS. If you want a desktop OS to draw and sketch go use the MS Surface Pro. And that my friend is why many Mac users have opted for the Surface Pro : )”
Isn’t the Surface Pro just a tablet with a detachable keyboard section? And isn’t it ARM based like the iPad? Or are you saying the shoehorned a desktop CPU into that tablet? That would be cool.
What’s the advantage over an iPad Pro and an Apple Pencil? Apple’s “mimic a sketchpad and pencil.” tools have been out for more than a year and the artists I know who use them love them. Is this different?
Or are you talking about the Surface Pro Studio – the big iMac like honker? That’s a touchscreen too right? Does it have the dedicated drawing capabilities like the Surface Pro or iPad pro?
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[Bill Davis] “Isn’t the Surface Pro just a tablet with a detachable keyboard section? And isn’t it ARM based like the iPad? Or are you saying the shoehorned a desktop CPU into that tablet? That would be cool.”
The Surface Pro uses a Core i5/i7 and Windows 10. It has done that for years. Even when it ran Windows 8 it could use an i5/i7 CPU. You can run Indesign and Illustrator on the Surface Pro. You can find videos of people doing this 4 years ago.
[Bill Davis] “What’s the advantage over an iPad Pro and an Apple Pencil? Apple’s “mimic a sketchpad and pencil.” tools have been out for more than a year and the artists I know who use them love them. Is this different?”
We Windows users have one OS. We can run all the Adobe programs on the Surface Pro. Try and find a video of someone running Illustrator on an iPad. It is possible Adobe may have recently made an iOS version of Illustrator but they didn’t have it a year ago. Having said that you can probably use the Android Tablets as a sketch pad but I doubt they can run the Adobe CC applications.
[Bill Davis] “Or are you talking about the Surface Pro Studio – the big iMac like honker? That’s a touchscreen too right? Does it have the dedicated drawing capabilities like the Surface Pro or iPad pro?”
Is it an iMac honker or an iMac bitch slapper? Many Apple users want OS X to get touch screen support. Other Apple users want the surface studio but it is to expensive right now. That will not be the case 14 months from now. The Surface Studio has a much more advanced touch screen than the Surface Pro but both Run Windows 10 and can use Core i5/i7 CPUs. As I have stated the Surface Studio is like an iPad Pro on steroids.
You can find videos of people ditching their iPads for the Surface Pro. Having said that it is good to ask questions. It is the only way you will learn.
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[andy patterson] “Sometimes the speculations become a reality but more often than not the future is unpredictable. “
I wanted to watch this video in it’s entirety, but the VO kept causing me to fall asleep. Don’t you all think we will see an “iMac” Pro” with a hinge-able base to let it lie flat or slightly angled and touch capabilities in the future? Seems like a logical next step to match the surface. As an editor and not an artist or designer, I am trying to figure out what a Surface-like device would give me over my iMac or Mac Book Pro right now?
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[Scott Witthaus] ” Don’t you all think we will see an “iMac” Pro” with a hinge-able base to let it lie flat or slightly angled and touch capabilities in the future? Seems like a logical next step to match the surface.”
Yea, I kind of already said that by stating the Apple engineers probably have a Surface Studio in their office and are trying to replicate it. Having said that Apple used to claim people don’t want touch screen on their desktop PC.
[Scott Witthaus] “As an editor and not an artist or designer, I am trying to figure out what a Surface-like device would give me over my iMac or Mac Book Pro right now?”
It may or may not give you anything as an editor. I ask the same thing when people make the comment that you can raise and lower the volume in FCPX with the touch bar and also scrub the timeline with the touch bar. I think to myself you can do those simultaneously with a touch screen. It is unfortunate that you are limiting yourself to just editing. Why not try to create logos using Illustrator or edit the photos that you have to use in your video production with Photoshop? Maybe on day you will start to use Cubase or Cakewalk for audio mixing. In that case the touch screen will allow you to manipulate the virtual audio board as easy as using a control surface. In fact some Cakewalk users have stated they like using touch screen over the control surface but everyone will have their own preference. Others have stated touch screens work good for certain tasks but not everything. I agree.
[Scott Witthaus] ” wanted to watch this video in it’s entirety, but the VO kept causing me to fall asleep.”
It is unfortunate that you fell asleep because some of your questions were addressed in the video.
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