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Something else to debate!
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Are you saying hands down the mouse and keyboard will always be more proficient than a touch screen and surface dial for video editing?
Can you simultaneously open two bins at once using the mouse and keyboard? Can you scrub the timeline in FCXP while while simultaneous muting the audio for channels one and six using the keyboard and mouse?
Watching other people simply click on tabs and start adjusting parameters in Photoshop and Lightroom with their hands using the Surface Studio seemed more proficient and natural than using a keyboard and mouse but perhaps I’m wrong. Having said that I don’t doubt Apple is looking to emulate the Surface Studio but I doubt Microsoft is trying to emulate the touch bar.
It is a paradigm dilemma. Touch bar or touch screen? You be the judge!
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[Charlie Austin] “[Herb Sevush] “predict the Surface and Surface Studio are just the tools to enable that move.”””
I don’t know where you got that quote, but it definitely wasn’t from me. I’m an old troglodyte with short stumpy mangled fingers that wouldn’t use a touch screen on a bet. I’ve never predicted anything about the Surface Studio and, other than as a comparison to Apple’s touch bar, something else I have no interest in, I have no interest in it. Long live the keyboard and the mouse!
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[Charlie Austin] “My hands are basically stationary on the mouse and KB, I have no desire to wave my hands around on a touchscreen day after day.”
I use both a Surface Pro and a MacBook Pro. I can’t tell you how fingerprints I’ve left on my MBP screen trying to interact with it by touch.
I find that touch supplements other interfaces rather than replacing them entirely, and I definitely miss it when I don’t have it.
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[Walter Soyka] “I use both a Surface Pro and a MacBook Pro. I can’t tell you how fingerprints I’ve left on my MBP screen trying to interact with it by touch.”
I think everyone and their brother has tried to ‘pinch zoom’ on my MBP screen when looking at pictures.
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[Herb Sevush] “I don’t know where you got that quote, but it definitely wasn’t from me.”
oops… quoted your quote of Oliver.
[Herb Sevush] ” I’m an old troglodyte with short stumpy mangled fingers that wouldn’t use a touch screen on a bet.”
lol 🙂
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[Walter Soyka] “I find that touch supplements other interfaces rather than replacing them entirely, and I definitely miss it when I don’t have it.”
I can see that being the case, I guess for me it might be nice to have for some things, but not a game changer for cutting.
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I tend to be a mouse and keyboard person, too. I did a review of one the HP all-in-ones with a touch screen. The accuracy was very coarse, so it seemed better suited for kiosks than actual production. But if the accuracy is high (like with a Cintiq or an iPad) – which I presume the Surface Pro features – then I could see it for graphics and photo-retouching.
It seems like the orientation is best when nearly flat and you are leaning over it. This is pretty much how Microsoft has demoed the Surface Pro in videos. In that sort of layout, it could, in theory, become a modern version of a Moviola, given the right software. Right now TouchEdit on the iPad is really the only thing close to that approach for NLEs.
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[Walter Soyka] “I find that touch supplements other interfaces rather than replacing them entirely, and I definitely miss it when I don’t have it.”
I would agree. There will be times when touching the screen will be faster than a keyboard and mouse and there will also be times when a keyboard and mouse can be more efficient than a touch screen. I am sure the Apple engineers have a Surface Studio in their office and are blown away with how fluid the interaction can be. Apple needs to offer the option of touch screen and let people decide what works best for their needs. Apple users may say touch screen is a waste of time but keep in mind they haven’t really used it. People who have used touch screen along with the keyboard and mouse like like it.
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And there are times when dedicated control hardware beats touch screen and keyboard/mouse.
Personally I am not a fan of touch screens. The ergonomics are often poor and the smudge marks on screens put me off. Surface Pro looks like the ergonomics are designed around standing, which is impractical for my facility. Even on touch screen machines like tablets I use a stylus. Remembering keyboard shortcuts is a pain when you constantly swap between NLEs which I am doing far less these days.
One feature of the purchase of Fairlight by Blackmagic is that Fairlight have a smart keyboard with dedicated jog and edit keys that is totally variable depending on the function of the DAW. So editing, mixing, etc functions have relabeling keyboards. So Resolve may end up with a much smarter keyboard based interface than any combo of touchscreen, ASCII keyboard and mouse can offer. Ironically Fairlight made a driver so anyone running Premiere and Fairlight could use the Fairlight keyboard for editing on Pr. I was tempted to beta test this but decided to do without CC.
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[Michael Gissing] “Personally I am not a fan of touch screens. The ergonomics are often poor and the smudge marks on screens put me off. Surface Pro looks like the ergonomics are designed around standing, which is impractical for my facility.”
[Michael Gissing] “One feature of the purchase of Fairlight by Blackmagic is that Fairlight have a smart keyboard with dedicated jog and edit keys that is totally variable depending on the function of the DAW. So editing, mixing, etc functions have relabeling keyboards. So Resolve may end up with a much smarter keyboard based interface than any combo of touchscreen, ASCII keyboard and mouse can offer.”
Won’t the smart keyboard interface you described get filthy smudge marks? You stated earlier you hate smudge marks. My keyboard gets filthy all the time and if truth be told it is much harder to clean than my computer screen. Keep in mind with touch screen you could simply run dual monitors and have a small touch screen monitor on your desk with the mixing board part of the DAW. There would be no need to stand up and I think we will see more interesting touch screen options in the future. Having said that Cakewalk is getting more responsive with tough screen. Some are starting to preferring touch screens over an actual control surface. In the end it is nothing more than personal choice. A personal choice that Apple refuses to offer it’s users.
[Michael Gissing] “And there are times when dedicated control hardware beats touch screen and keyboard/mouse.”
Who knows what things will be like in the year 2021?
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