Some thoughts on the FCPX Forum

[Gary Pollard]

There’s a point where the static obscures the signal. And I agree entirely with those who feel the static does NOT need to be interjected into every single thread.

There’s actually a: “People are actually USING and liking this. How dare they?” mindset from some here.

I have NEVER been in a forum dedicated to a product elsewhere where people feel “This product sucks” should be the view that holds sway and is actually supported by forum leaders, and where those who like it are considered the renegades or the “not pros”. Nor do I feel a name change is a solution. It’s like changing the “Canon 5D MkII” forum to the “I hate Canon 5D MkII” forum and hoping that solves it.

And I’m not talking about justified complaints over limitations. I share many of those views. Just the ENDLESS snarkiness. It’s time to be over it, and once people ARE over it, this forum under its new name is dead.

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“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”

[Vince Gaffney]

I’m pretty sure it’s not what’s being said, but how how it’s being said.

[Tim Wilson]

[Gary Pollard] “And I’m not talking about justified complaints over limitations. I share many of those views. Just the ENDLESS snarkiness. It’s time to be over it, and once people ARE over it, this forum under its new name is dead.”

A friendly reminder – we do indeed have a forum for people who have gotten over it, right next door: the FCPX Techniques forum.

Anecdotal evidence that this forum or anything happening here is driving people away is easily disproved by counting posts. They don’t line up precisely with traffic of course, and the daily post count is down a little, but traffic here is still very high, and rising.

While not as many *posts* as here, the traffic in the FCPX Techniques forum is very nearly as high, and also rising rapidly. Hundreds of thousands of visitors to the COW have made their way over there.

In fact, if anyone wants to make any bets about which are the two most trafficked forums in the COW right now, and in which order, and whether our overall traffic is up or down over these last four months — well, it’s the definition of a sucker’s bet. I’d feel bad about taking your money. But I will if you insist.

In the meantime, the Debate forum is now properly named. If it sounds like noise to you, the traditional COW balance of sweet signal is easily enough at hand. In addition to civilized, solutions-focused conversation, you’ll find presets, generators, and much more.

And yes, we assume that this forum will go away, just as soon as people are tired of talking about this business, their future in it, and Apple’s plans for both.

I’m not taking bets on that date for everyone, but for many people, the date was two months ago tomorrow, when we opened the FCPX Techniques forum. Two months ago!! It’s more than ready when you are.

Yr pal,

Timmy
Creative COW

[Bill Davis]

Excuse me?

I’ve been writing for various public audiences in magazines and on-line for more than 20 years and what you have posted above is the single most insulting thing I’ve ever had anyone say about me.

If you can post an example of my being a “hypocrite of the highest order” I will immediately apologise.

If you can’t, I expect YOU to do precisely the same.

You should start by reading here:

From wikipedia…

Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, ideals, thoughts, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have.[1] Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie[1].

Every single thing I’ve written here is to my knowledge, archived and represents PRECISELY my opinion.

I have never knowingly deceived a single person with a single word I’ve written. I written ONLY under my real name in every forum and submission I’ve ever sent out.

So take your time. Back up your contention or man up and apologize.

Simple as that.

“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor

[Bill Davis]

Just so there’s NO mistake.

“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor

[Gary Pollard]

[Tim Wilson] “A friendly reminder – we do indeed have a forum for people who have gotten over it, right next door: the FCPX Techniques forum.”

And the necessity for that is itself a sign of what this forum descended into. How sad that the helpful forum became a subset of the negative one.

But your post still really does not address the criticism that opened this thread. Why, even in a forum like this, do some feel static must be interjected into virtually every thread? When someone raises a problem about FCP X, I’ve seen them get a reply that says: “Save your money and don’t use the cr*p.” Helpful huh?

Just LOOK at the hostility to the FCP X adopters here. And yes, the insults ARE worse than in the other direction. Some can’t see it simply because they share the view that the software sucks.

And where’s the helpfulness or debate in the repeated: “I’ve found a video where someone says something is cr*p” so I’ll stick it up as if they are talking about FCP X”? The first week, sure. But ANOTHER one?

(If someone went to the Premiere or Vegas forum and did EXACTLY the same thing and called it “humour” it would get called trolling).

Still, one small improvement I might suggest – the banner headline above STILL calls this the “FCP X – Forum”. Helpful to change that to the “debate” title too. Still, not EVERY issue some might want to discuss POSITIVELY about FCP X is “technique”.

As I said, I share the awareness of this program’s limitations, and I can’t use it for my own professional use, even though I’m excited by some possibilities, but I do understand the frustration of those who are encountering the skewed reality of this forum and misguidedly think they’ll get help or advice here.

Maybe things will settle down later. This forum actually WAS starting to get back on track, but for now we are in topsy-turvy land.

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“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”

[Steve Connor]

Thanks for the contributions everyone, I think this thread positions the forum perfectly now for anyone who cares to read it.

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

Have you tried “Search Posts”? Enlightenment may be there.

[Steve Connor]

David, I’m not sure why you constantly feel the need to resort to personal insults when making a point.

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

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[Rafael Amador]

[Steve Connor] “I also find it strange that many of the forum leaders don’t use the software and do not plan to.”
What you should find strange, is that from so many people involved in FCP Forum in the COW for years, only David, Jeremy, Craig and your self are backing FCPX.
I understand that FCPX fits your needs, but as you can see most people needs are quite different than yours.
How can’t you understand that for 50% of FCP users in the world (a camera, a Mac and FCP), all this revolution MAKES NO SENSE.

[Craig Seeman] “I know of no other COW forum where so many faces on top either don’t use, don’t like, aren’t interested in helping users of the software except to the extent they can discourage people.”
Yes Craig, you may call it “discouraging”: Discouraging people is what I’ve been doing here for the last few years.
Discouraging people of taking wrong workflows, discouraging people of investing in wrong solutions, discouraging people of getting flashed by marketing messages and strategies.
I prefer to see it the other way: I’ve been encouraging people to what I honestly think are the best practices and solution.

If this would be the Pharmaceutical industry (where manufacturers are accountable for what they sell), FCPX wouldn’t be in shelves of the pharmacies. Nobody recommends a drug that hasn’t been tested.

The “Debate” is important not just for FCP/FCPX users. Apple is telling me to go to re=education and forget all the shit i’ve learnt in 25 years.
For me the question is simple: Is necessary to rethink the way to edit movies, just to make the same movies?
(And please, don’t tell me about efficiency, speed, metada….I’m talking about movies).
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com

[Steve Connor]

Rafael, Of course I understand why probablY the majority of FCP users are disappointed with FCPX and cannot use it. I also understand what a giant mistake Apple made in EOLing FCP7. I have never argued against any of those points.

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

Have you tried “Search Posts”? Enlightenment may be there.