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So now that we have Libraries, why do we need Events?
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[James Sullivan] “Apple however can still build an edit suite from the silicon up. We just have to hate hard enough for them to do it our way.
To me Final Cut Pro X is still a single seat, straight to youtube, audio mixing nightmare. But if they cut out the stupid stuff and add some tags that stick at the finder level then I will be your uncle. Also the new coffee grinder™ is showing some promise. Just remember that Siri can read lips or we will all be floating in space.
“yep. that all sounds good to me.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “I guess in a way the question maybe isn’t how its supposed to work as much as what is it supposed to do? you have concerns about the collaboration not interfering with functional archiving – so thats an issue – but I guess that would be what i would wonder – if avid isn’t the one and only answer, what essential functions describe a happy shared edit environment?”
One where people can see what each other is doing in real time, and being able to keep all of that relatively organized so that people can work together efficiently. Of course, you’d have to be able to lock each other out so someone doesn’t write over what you have already done.
Adobe Anywhere sounds pretty awesome. It will also take a pretty awesome system and keep it running, it is probable not for the likes of our little shared environment, it will be for the bigger/huge facilities.
For me, it would be great, not to share a timeline, as of course that would be madness, but to be able to have two or more people in a Library working on separate timelines, but using each other’s footage and metadata.
One really nice aspect of FCPX is being able to change the metadata so quickly and easily, then to be able to save that set of metadata, and then change to another set of metadata if needed.
With Avid shared environments, a set of data is pretty much locked down (can’t change clip name, etc) and anyone else has to add their specific metadata to a column.
I think that there could be room for improvement there, and I think FCPX already has some pretty cool capabilities in metadata. Now it just needs to be able to be extended out to multiple users at the same time.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “One where people can see what each other is doing in real time, and being able to keep all of that relatively organized so that people can work together efficiently. Of course, you’d have to be able to lock each other out so someone doesn’t write over what you have already done.
“what do you actually mean in the context of FCPX though jeremy – what things are they seeing in realtime?
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “what do you actually mean in the context of FCPX though jeremy – what things are they seeing in realtime?”
Footage and Metadata, of course.
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I don’t actually think that’s going to happen. Ripple training have said on air that they don’t believe it can happen in the context of metadata.
flat out – steve martin said it pretty emphatically on the live web chat on 10.1
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “I don’t actually think that’s going to happen.”
I said I didn’t expect it to happen either right here: https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/63990
…in the last sentence.
Since Apple isn’t going to make an Avid bin locking type of environment, let’s dump Events!
yay!
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yes quite. Death to pointless vestigial event walls. Given what FCP is supposed to be for, you’d think mad simultaneous metadata eyeballing is overcooking it anyway.
7 was merrily destroying avid in high end soho with none of it. It appears you can get by.
I mostly think apple need to effect a normalisation of perceptions regarding the edit system, given some of the crazy advantages it offers.
one way or another it goes to the timeline. It doesn’t matter what they think it should be – you have to be able to fundamentally park an element in time, and the keyboard shortcuts have to operate out of the primary. that’s the bit of it I understand, and those are non-starters in their absence.
Its all very compelling, but the timeline just feels too crazy. In fact, the timeline actually is too crazy.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “Given what FCP is supposed to be for, you’d think mad simultaneous metadata eyeballing is overcooking it anyway.
7 was merrily destroying avid in high end soho with none of it. It appears you can get by.”
Of course you can get by. And 10.1 at least gives you what you could do with FCP7 for the most part, in that you have a Finder file that can be duped and opened on someone else’s machine (or do an XML jockey, or whatever). I can tell you, maintaining that sort of status quo isn’t very forward thinking.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “you have to be able to fundamentally park an element in time, and the keyboard shortcuts have to operate out of the primary. that’s the bit of it I understand, and those are non-starters in their absence.”
I am not sure what you mean here. You can park an element in time even when FCPX’s time is more relative, and you can use keyboard shortcuts that don’t pertain to the primary only. You might have to select something first, but it does happen.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “Its all very compelling, but the timeline just feels too crazy. In fact, the timeline actually is too crazy.”
To each their own. I feel that way about the Pr timeline sometimes.
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