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  • Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product

    Posted by Tyler Walk on January 23, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    I have been working on a project that was shot with the HVX200 at 720p. We edited it at it’s native 23.98 format and have the final product output to it’s native format QT file, still running at 23.98.

    We usually send this file to the DVD duplication house and they add the 3:2 pulldown…for a price. The company is trying to cut costs and trying to see if we can do it on our end. It seems like After Effects can add it, but don’t want to have to tell them to buy anything new unless necessary.

    We’re running FCS 2. Is there any way in Compressor or Cinema Tools to ADD the 3:2 pulldown. I can export it at 29.97, but it always does the 2:2:2:4 pulldown (piece of trash).

    They don’t want to do the DVD encoding on this end, they would rather have the DVD house do that or I would just suggest giving them 24p MpegII files to make 24p DVD’s…producers…

    Any help on adding 3:2 pulldown and keeping it DVCpro HD would be great.

    Florian Vera replied 17 years, 5 months ago 6 Members · 20 Replies
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  • Matthew Nelson

    January 23, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Why is the DVD dupe house inserting a 3:2 and why are they charging extra? DVD film titles are encoded at 23.98 because DVD players insert 3:2 on playback. At the house I worked at we ran all our film titles through a Ukon to remove the 3:2.

    I suggest you start looking for another DVD authoring and encoding house because either they’re ripping you off, they’re incompetent or both.

    Matt

  • Paul Escandon

    January 23, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Matthew is right on – you can encode a DVD straight from a 23.98 file. This is an acceptable frame rate for a DVD and the player will add the pulldown on playback.

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  • Tyler Walk

    January 23, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Agreed. I feel like the DVD duplication co. is giving the producers the runaround.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    January 23, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    There’s no doubt abot that. Adding 3:2 is silly and they should be able to make a 23.98 file from your 23.98 movie unless they are doing some sort of weird compression where they need the 29.97

    BUT if you need to, compressor will add 3:2 to your 720p23.98 file to being you up to 720p60 which is then 30 base.

    Jeremy

  • Tyler Walk

    January 24, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Right. Well I can’t figure out a way in compressor to do the 3:2 pulldown. several people have told me it’s possible, but they don’t say how….so.????

  • Jim Dodson

    January 24, 2008 at 2:26 am

    Jumping into this thread:

    Earlier comments notwithstanding, IS THERE A WAY to build a properly interlaced 3:2 pulldown from a 23.98 file (possibly using compressor) —

    We need to do this to deliver an Avid editor something that we can later reference back to (long story, but trust me, we need a 29.97 file with good interlacing)…

    Jim Dodson

    8 Core Intel — Mac – OSX

  • Matthew Nelson

    January 24, 2008 at 2:27 am

    Compressor adds 3:2 automatically. Duplicate the mpeg2 setting that you want to use. Set the Format to NTSC, the frame rate to 29.97 (you’ll notice that 23.98 is an option), set the aspect to what you want. For field dominance leave it on auto.

  • Jim Dodson

    January 24, 2008 at 2:32 am

    Just to clarify…

    We have a 23.98 ProRes sequence — trying to export out a 29.97 ProRes sequence with a proper 3:2 interlaced pulldown — we’re not making a DVD or going to MPEG…

    Jim Dodson

    8 Core Intel — Mac – OSX

  • Jeremy Garchow

    January 24, 2008 at 3:37 am

    Simply create a 720p60 DVCPro HD preset or use the apple one.

    It’s in the Apple > Other workflows > Advanced Format COnversions > High Definition directory.

    Jeremy

  • Jeremy Garchow

    January 24, 2008 at 3:39 am

    [Jim Dodson] “We have a 23.98 ProRes sequence — trying to export out a 29.97 ProRes sequence with a proper 3:2 interlaced pulldown — we’re not making a DVD or going to MPEG… “

    You are editing in SD?

    Use Fields kit from revision fx, or layoff to tape and recapture or capture machine to machine.

    Jeremy

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