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  • Seeking Low Scale MMA Fight Video Equipment Suggestion

  • Anand Ghosh

    March 31, 2021 at 3:32 pm

    Hello,

    I am doing a trial shoot for a local live MMA fight with low scale production equipment. The fight is in a std 20ft cage. I am planning to use Go Pros, DJI Gimbals, Kessler rigs, etc.

    I am looking for better or alternative low scale suggestions camera and rig suggestions.

    1. Perhaps anything overhead, like a spider cam low scale variant.

    2. Since the cage is always going to be in foreground and I cannot afford an Optimo Zoom, any alternatives for the same.

    3. Jib alternatives

    4. Switchers, that can be installed on a comp

    Anything else that will help capture good sports visuals.

    Thanks,

    Anand

  • Anand Ghosh

    April 5, 2021 at 3:26 pm

    Some suggestions for this is much appreciated.

    Thanks

  • Mark Suszko

    April 6, 2021 at 4:10 pm

    You don’t say if this has to be livestreamed multicam, or if you will edit first, then stream it. Huge difference in cost and complexity. Since you say its a demo, i will assume no live stream, just an edit.

    You can multicam edit for free on DaVinci Resolve.

    As to your camera options, what’s nice about a 4K or better camera is, if you’re delivering in only 3K, the larger resolution shot will allow you to capture a wide shot, then digitally zoom-in, pan, and re-crop in the edit, and it will still look good as a 2K shot. There are knockoff go-pro-like action cams in 4K in the 50 dollar and under range now. If you can build them into the cage, you’ll have good coverage all around.

    As for an overhead, there was a guy advertising a remote go pro platform on a single wire. This is also something you can make on your own from RC car parts: you just need the single channel for the forward-reverse, to act as a winch on the overhead cable. The steering wheel, for extra credit, you can change its servo output to rotate a Go Pro left and right on the cable. But this is going to require a live operator.

    I’ve had good luck putting lipstick cameras on long poles to simulate drone shots before there were drones. Certainly you can hang a gimbal on a long pole over the top of the cage too.

    As to switchers for a computer, ATEM is the popular choice here. But I’ll caution you that, people buy computer-based switchers to save money, then find out they maybe didn’t save as much as they figured, once all the peripherals and odds and ends and upgrades happen. And such rigs tend to get messy and take up a lot of space to set up on remotes… So do also look at a used Newtek Tricaster, which can also live-stream.

  • Anand Ghosh

    April 7, 2021 at 2:44 pm

    Mark,

    Thank you so much for writing in. To answer your first query, well a livestream is an ideal want. But I am breaking down the scale. First trying to capture the multiple cameras and make post based content, if I get the quality right the next thing would be to also to livestream and record both.

    The event is live, I will get a day’s tech check ofcourse. Besides I am good with HD or 2k quality at this point.

    As your inputs and how I am thinking –

    1. I will get TOP shots with a GoPro or alternative rigged

    2. I will also get some shots using camera’s on Keesler jibs

    3. Also rig the ring

    4. But how do I get those upclose shots, with the cage being in the foreground?

    5. Then if I have to live stream, will they all need to be wired or bluetooth/wifi will work?

    ATEM though is a good suggestion for low scale.

    Pls do suggest anything else which are deviations/alternatives from the same.

    Thank You,

    Anand

  • Mark Suszko

    April 7, 2021 at 9:00 pm

    Depending on the lighting and camera lens, you can shoot thru chain link and make it “disappear”, shooting telephoto, with proper depth of field control. But what I was suggesting is, attach the go pros directly to the outside of the chain link fencing of the cage, with just the lens poking thru. There must be posts in the corners that could also have some padding carved away to expose a go pro lens.

    Has anyone ever hung a go pro on the referee? I mean, he’s inside and all over the space, the shots would be brief, but, occasionally they would probably be awesome. Head bands, hats, chest mounts. If it was a WWE ref, you’d want to mount it on his back, because he’ll have it turned towards the action, every time the heel hits the face man with an illegal chair, etc. LOL

    As to hardwired cams or wireless, you’re talking a LOT of cameras here. Your main ones at the very least need to be powered and hardwired, especially for live streaming. Tape-delayed instead of live streamed is so much less complicated: the cameras can all run off local power bank external batteries, and you multicam it like it was a live-switch in post. Live streaming the matches, in the ambitious way you want, is a much more technically complicated and expensive thing to do than multicam post.

  • Anand Ghosh

    April 8, 2021 at 5:44 am

    Yes Mark, all those ideas are being explored , including refree headband. But basically there is no option for the closeups other than telephotos like Optimo, I had mentioned initially.

    I have had a lot of inputs in terms of the rigging. I am actually looking at more alernative capture medium suggestions.

    Thank you for detailed suggestions

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