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just an fyi, if you have oodles of cash spilling out and you want THE fastest set up possible, and I do mean fastest, faster than fiber, faster than sas, go with the sata array here.
https://www.nextlevelhardware.com/storage/battleship/
it will cost you an arm and a leg. but umm, i don’t think you’ll be running into any problems with speed. just space, and power consumption.
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[Arnie Schlissel] “If it were my money, I’d be buying 1TB Seagate or Hitachi SATA II drives, and putting them in an enclosure with SAS connectors tied to the ATTO or maybe an Areca SAS controller.”
Arnie,
If you’re buying I’m ready for either of those controllers. But I got a feeling you’re all Schlissel and no steak…
David
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I too am making some last minute end of year purchases. I’d like to go with the Maxxdigital 8TB raid, but I don’t believe I could add additional towers to it later. Is this not a problem for those of you using this system?
Thanks,
Andrew
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[Lee McEachern] “Dulce Pro DQ and it is SATA. I guess SAS is the latest”
Hi Lee, our PRO DQ uses SATA drives which is the best option for most “bang for your buck” as others have noted already.
The interface we use is also referred to as the mini-SAS which is a metal clip locking construction. This, of course, works with the SATA drives.
Please allow our sales team to work out a good cost effective solution for you. Drop us an email or call.
Happy and prosperous 2008 to all.
Robert Leong / Dulce Tech Support
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LOL! Alack & alas, my Mac is PCI-X. These SAS RAID controllers are all PCIe. Looks like I’m eating tofu for storage…
Arnie
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[Andrew Yates] “I’d like to go with the Maxxdigital 8TB raid, but I don’t believe I could add additional towers to it later. Is this not a problem for those of you using this system?”
Sure you can. You can stripe two of these units together to get insane speeds.
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[Arnie Schlissel] “SAS drives are available with spindle speeds of 10k RPM and even 15k RPM. All the 3gb/second SATA II drives are 7200 RPM. The only 10k RPM SATA drives are the WD Raptors, which are SATA I, 1.5 gb/s.”
If you want 10k drives, the Raptor is fine. It still won’t max out the 150MB/s SATA I bus.
15k drives are a bad choice IMO. They have small capacity and they’re expensive. And they’re not that much faster than the new crop of 7200rpm drives (750GB and larger) which use a new perpendicular recording technology that makes them 80MB/s per disk.
Also, flash memory based storage is creeping up on us. Technically you could have it now if you wanted to spend an incredible amount of money. It’s just a matter of time before price and capacity improves to make it practical. A no-brainer for video production. Zero latency, high throughput, low heat (no fans), no mechanical noise, no moving parts (far less likely to go bad). I can’t wait.
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[walter biscardi] “You can stripe two of these units together to get insane speeds.”
Great news! Do you know of a link showing how difficult it would be to connect and stripe 2 towers? This technology is completely new to me and the maxxdigital website doesn’t have a lot of info.Thanks,
Andrew
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[Andrew Yates] “Do you know of a link showing how difficult it would be to connect and stripe 2 towers? This technology is completely new to me and the maxxdigital website doesn’t have a lot of info.”
Just call them direct to discuss. I don’t know of anyone who needs to stripe multiple 8TB SAS/SATA arrays so it’s not something they would necessarily show on the website.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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I don’t often look at the FCP forum, as I answer storage questions on the AJA and Blackmagic forums mostly, but I want to stress one thing about this entire discussion.
EVERYTHING BECOMES OUTDATED QUICKLY. We used to use SCSI drives not that long ago, then Fibre (some still do). A quick switch to FW800, then to SATA, and now everyone is hot on SAS (which uses SATA drives).
SAS arrays are hot, because they are very fast (MUCH faster than an Apple XServe RAID for example, and a lot cheaper), and they are RAID protected (which means that if a drive fails, you don’t lose your media). The current crop of SAS arrays that work in MAC computers use a single chassis, that typically holds 8 disk drives, giving you an 8TB maximum. Companies like Dulce Systems and Cal Digit are both coming out with port expander products that will allow for the addition of multiple chassis. In addition, companies like XStor make larger chassis that hold more than 8 drives (this works with the ATTO R380 card, and was demonstrated at NAB2007). But SAS port expansion will be the next “big thing”.
The point is – ITS NOT OUT YET, but it’s coming soon. So how do you plan for the future – YOU DONT. You buy what you need to make a living. In 3 years, ALL THIS STUFF WILL BE OUTDATED, and you will need new stuff to do 4K, 8K, and whatever else the demands are. And some moron will still write in and say “how come I can’t record my 4K files on my MAC Book Pro’s internal hard drive”.
Currently, all the SAS products you see advertised on Creative Cow will handle uncompressed HD, and since most of you are doing less than this (like ProRes422HQ or DVCProHD), all of these products will work.
And will SOLID STATE STORAGE PRODUCTS take over – of course they will, and we will spend the next 15 years suffering thru this – 8Gig cards, 16 Gig cards, and it will grow and grow, and your INVESTMENT will go into the toilet with every increase in technology.
By the time 1TB solid state cards exist, Apple will no longer sell Final Cut Pro, and most of you will be working for McDonnalds anyway, so it won’t make a difference. In the mean time, all these products work just fine. Buy from a RELIABLE DEALER THAT CAN HELP SUPPORT YOU, because if your not a “do it yourselfer” – you will fail.
Bob zelin
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