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Rumors of $1000 US for 8Gig P2 cards
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LTO, DLT, and other “computer tape backup systems” are what Panasonic is really pushing at the end of your workflow, or at the end of a shoot. I guess do an IT backup of all your .MXF raw footage onto LTO or DLT… then edit… then finish… then backup all of your project files, media files, etc. one more time to LTO or DLT.
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Couldn’t you bring a laptop and a large firewire drive on location
and dump the footage from the cards? I know you would have to
then take the footage on the firewire drive and transfer to your
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It does. I’ve used P2 on Avid ( Newscutter & XpressProHD with SPX800). Each P2-card that is put into a slot is seen by Windows as a separate removable disk, and by Avid as a native Media Drive. You open the Avid media tool, and drop all the clips from one or more disk into a bin. After 1 second ( approx.) they ‘arrive’ in the bin, and you can start cutting from the cards, no ingest/transfer/transcode.
Only when you swap cards in the reader, or insert more cards, Avid has to rescan all drives( ‘Mount All’ command), and this takes some time( 20 to 60 seconds). Avid and/or Panasonic still have a bit of work to do: Ikegami HDD’s take only a fraction of the time to mount. If you have to swap a lot of cards, this gets frustrating very quickly. Still, 20 seconds mounting is still a bit better then 20 minutes ingesting or transcoding.
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The Firestore drives will record directly from the camera WITHOUT the use of P2 cards and they will have a larger capacity… most likely either 60gb, 80gb or 100gb. You do not need a computer to “dump” the media to an external hard drive since it is recorded directly to the hard drive unit. It still remains to be seen if the drives in the Firestore unit will be hot swappable or not.
You could take a laptop on location and “dump” the P2 cards to an external hard drive if desired. Panasonic has made the argument that this may not be the best method because it is not fail-safe. From my understanding, they are suggesting to dump to their portable drive and then make copies on multiple sources: hard drive and data tape (LTO, DLT, etc), two hard drives, or other means. This is not feasible for many of us due to the costs and time restraints for data transferring.
Theoretically, you could dump directly Firewire hard drives and edit directly off of them without the need for another data transfer, but I don
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If you could record DVCPROHD 1080i to a hard drive that would be cool.
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You can record it to a hard drive. Yes, 1 minute is 1 gig.
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[Steve Freebairn] “You can record it to a hard drive. Yes, 1 minute is 1 gig.”
Fellas, I have been monitoring this group for months and I believe you may be getting a misimpression. The way I understand it – to date – you can offload data of any resolution from the p2 card(s) to a portable hard drive by firewire but you cannot do it while you are shooting. The data goes to the P2; you fill it up; then you off load it to the drive and then you clear the P2 and continue.
I think we all want the ability to record directly to drive but this has not been implemented as of yet – if ever.
For me, it is not a deal killer because for the value I will derive from this camera I can take the time to off load the video to a portable hard drive. I mostly shoot commercials.Brian FitzGerald
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That was my original understanding. No big deal. The firestore drives are just that.
I think those drives are designed to off-load footage from the P2. I am not sure if you need to hook up the drive to a laptop or not. Some clarification from Panasonic would help.
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Here is the message from another thread:
John claims that you can shoot direct to the drives???John Baisley, president of Panasonic Broadcast U.S. “We have selected the Focus FireStore Direct To Edit solution as a way of offering economical long-duration DVCPRO, DVCPRO 50, or DVCPRO HD recording to the event production market. The FireStore solution, like our P2 card solid-state memory solution, speeds up the production workflow by eliminating time wasted digitizing footage.”
“It is exciting to further expand our partnership with Panasonic and to extend our FireStore DTE platform to include a portable DVCPRO HD variant capable of 100Mbps video bit rate,” said David O’Kelly, vice president of business development of Focus Enhancements. “Working closely with Panasonic, we plan to offer significant media cost savings to DVCPRO HD customers requiring long-duration HD acquisition.”
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The camera can offload p2 to any firewire or usb drive, the reason why the Firestore is so much more, is because it lets you capture directly from the camera while recording.
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