Rumors of $1000 US for 8Gig P2 cards

[Pierre]

Ron-

I feel the same way that you do. I don’t want to shoot on DV or HDV either, however, when I’m working on a long form project I’ll have to consider until the price of P2 comes down. When I HAVE to shoot on HDV then I guess I’ll use the JVC or the XL-H1 and hope nobody MOVES! Ha Ha 🙁 Otherwise, it’s going to cost “real HD money”.

Perhaps something spectacular and inexpensive will happen with archiving/storage solutions in the next few months… although I think that realistically the best thing that going to happen to the HVX is a bit of TIME and less expensive P2. I just hope it’s not too long.

Tape really hasn’t been taken out of the equation with P2 (YET). For now, in most practical circumstances that come to mind, it appears as if P2 has just forced tape to the very end of the workflow.

Instead of utilizing tape in the beginning for aquistion, you’re utilizing tape in the end, for archiving.

best,

Michael

[Ron Shook]

Graeme,

[Graeme Nattress] “MXF doesn’t get transcodec to Quicktime. Both MXF and Quicktime are “wrappers’ for the very same underlying DV/DV50/DV100 codec data, so any such conversion should be very rapid.”

I understand the process. “Transcoded” was a bad choice of words. Would “rewrapped” be better? (g) Or converted? In FCP can this “rewrapping” happen on the fly when the P2 MXF files are ingested, or must they be ingested and then “rewrapped, i.e., is it a one or 2 stage process to make P2 MXF files usable in FCP?

Ron Shook

[Ron Shook]

Michael,

[Michael] “Instead of utilizing tape in the beginning for aquistion, you’re utilizing tape in the end, for archiving.”

Tape is nearly at an end for archiving as well, and I think everyone needs to ask themselves if putting $25-80k into an HD tape deck makes any but short term sense anymore. Holographic Optical will make its commercial debute sometime in the next year, initially cheaper than tape and probably very inexpensive a year from its commercial introduction. Can we make do with hard drive archiving, perhaps doubling up for added safety, until then? I think so. The commodity IT revolution is nearly upon us for everything but camera heads, lenses and display devices, i.e., the opposite ends of the content creation chain. The rest is all computer hardware and software.

Ron Shook

[Ron Shook]

Luis,

[Luis Caffesse] “It was my understanding that Avid works directly with native DVCPro P2 MXF files.”

If that’s the case, it’s a very good thing.

Ron Shook

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[Ron Shook] “The Firestore drive, if it proves to be self-contained, is a step in the right direction and a solution for some types of production with the HGX-200 or other P2 camcorders”

Ron,
I would not shoot on anything conected to camera with “firewire cable”.
It can easily come apart and be disconected.
I just like solid memory solutions.

[Ron Shook]

Jiri,

[jiri vrozina] “I just like solid memory solutions.”

Hey, so do I, but paying for that solution is another story.

Ron

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20 years ago people spent $100 000 – $250 000 for post and $50000 for camera.
10 years people spent $50,000 – 100,000 for post and 50,000 for camera.
Today people spent $10,000 for post and $5,000 for camera.
People are discussing at forums Low end gear like Vegas(because it is cheap and it costs $400) and they are not talking and writing about far superior editing solutions
like smoke*.
We are talking about Z1 and Canon H1 instead discussing far superior video cameras.
Are we really going forward(as our fathers and grandfathers did),or are we following
Indians and Asians in the way we do business???
Is the “cheapest” way the best way?!
Is our living standard going down as well??

Sorry for this,but I like going forward,even if it costs the money.
I do no like to watch “amateur,family holiday” docos on TV shot by “anybody” on cheapest gear possible…It makes me tired.

Our industry is going down becasuse of that.
For Instance check all the forums here and see how many posts are at smoke* forum
and Vegas forum.
How many are at HDV forum and HD High End forum.
People think because they buy $5,000 camera they become cameramen and filmakers.
In this case I will buy some “knifes” and become a surgent…

I really moved away from P2 this time.
Bottom line is:if you want to do something properly,you will need proper tools
which will cost real money….

…and now lets talk about 14bit,6 megapixel Varicam on P2 which will shoot all the formats……….

p.s. I hope I did not offend anybody by my remarks.

[Graeme Nattress]

I don’t fully know the workflow yet, but either way, there’s no reason why it can’t be quick.

Graeme

– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects and Standards Conversion for FCP

[Pierre]

Jiri,

You wrote: “Are we really going forward(as our fathers and grandfathers did),or are we following
Indians and Asians in the way we do business???”

That’s really offensive to me and I doubt I stand alone. Please keep those type of comments to yourself.

thank you,

Michael

[Blub06]

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