reversing telecine

[Jeremy Neish]

Is the cadence consistent (iipppiipppii…), or does it change on each edit. In other words was the source material telecined after a editing or before? If the cadence is consistent, there are many programs that can handle this well (After Effects, CinemaTools, JES Deinterlacer, FCP). However, if you need to adjust the cadence on each edit, I’ve found that nothing beats doing it by hand, which can be a big undertaking for a longer video, though I’ve done it to entire 2 hour movies before.

[Matthew Sonnenfeld]

yeah, that’s the exact cadence and it runs throughout. I’m not too well versed in after effects but i do have CS3. are there any tutorials on how to do it or could you possibly give me a walk through of the steps? i’m more comfortable using the final cut suite so cinema tools or compressor or fcp would be easier for me. i tried to get do it in cinema tools before but when i open up a video file in it, “reverse telecine” is not selectable. any ideas?

thanks,
matt

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Final Cut Pro Studio 2
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The College of WIlliam and Mary

[Jeremy Garchow]

Compressor does this and has a reverse telecine option right in it. You can search for my name, reverse telecine and Compressor and you will find what you need.

Jeremy

[Matthew Sonnenfeld]

Sorry Jeremy. I can’t seem to get this to go. I went into compressor and I can’t find the proper tools to do it.

Right now I have a media managed copy of my cut film. I know that I should have done this all from the start but I hadn’t thought to. I have the entire thing backed up on another hard drive so I am willing to play some hard ball with this and do whatever I have to do to get it right. I’m just not sure what to do. Either Compressor or Cinema Tools, I don’t mind.

I was able to reverse telecine in final cut through Tools>Compressor Reverse Telecine, but it got extremely choppy and still has the interlacing even though the vid rate does say 24 fps. Even so, should it not be 23.976 fps?

Whenever I try to do a batch reverse telecine in compressor it tells me that there is an error because the footage has temporal compression. Is there any way around this?

So you know, I am trying to do this to the original capture scratch files, not a quicktime export or anything like that.

Thanks again,
Matt

Panasonic HPX170 P
Unibody Macbook Pro 15 inch, 2.8 Ghz, 4GB RAM
Final Cut Pro Studio 2
Avid Media Composer
The College of WIlliam and Mary

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Matthew Sonnenfeld] “Whenever I try to do a batch reverse telecine in compressor it tells me that there is an error because the footage has temporal compression. Is there any way around this? “

Yes, it won’t work on LongGOP media, you have to have IFrame media.

Read this post and change the DV stuff to the codec of your liking.

Write back with questions.

https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/8/1044012

Jeremy

[Matthew Sonnenfeld]

Hey Jeremy,

So I set up compressor to use an Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) at 23.967 fps and set to reverse telecine with 100% of the source frame size. I made all of those settings into a custom compressor setting and applied it to the batch of 30 clips. Then I set up the destination as the source and when I go to submit I get an error message saying that one or more targets are incomplete and that each target assigned to a job must have a setting and destination, however everything is set to the telecine reversal to ProRes 422 and going to the source… any ideas why I’m getting the error message?

Thanks again,
Matt

Panasonic HPX170 P
Unibody Macbook Pro 15 inch, 2.8 Ghz, 4GB RAM
Final Cut Pro Studio 2
Avid Media Composer
The College of WIlliam and Mary

[Matthew Sonnenfeld]

also, and I feel like this is a silly question… why is the native field dominance of the clips Top First instead of Progressive? Should I set them to progressive?

Panasonic HPX170 P
Unibody Macbook Pro 15 inch, 2.8 Ghz, 4GB RAM
Final Cut Pro Studio 2
Avid Media Composer
The College of WIlliam and Mary

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Matthew Sonnenfeld] “one or more targets are incomplete and that each target assigned to a job must have a setting and destination, “

OK, try it with one clip first to see if it’s going to work for you, and don’t send it to source, send it to somewhere else. If the file is named the same, it will replace your original file, we don’t want that.

Jeremy

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Matthew Sonnenfeld] “why is the native field dominance of the clips Top First instead of Progressive? Should I set them to progressive? “

You mean when you click on the asset (the little QT window in the job) and in the inspector it says Upper? That is correct as your footage is Upper Field first since it’s 24p with pulldown.

Make sure that frame rate is 23.976, you wrote 23.967.

Jeremy

[Matthew Sonnenfeld]

Okay so I tried to do it on one clip and I still got the same error message. I’m not sure what exactly is going on.

I really appreciate your help. Thank you again,
Matt

Panasonic HPX170 P
Unibody Macbook Pro 15 inch, 2.8 Ghz, 4GB RAM
Final Cut Pro Studio 2
Avid Media Composer
The College of WIlliam and Mary