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RedShark News: Opinion: Which are the best NLEs right now?
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[Herb Sevush] “”there is no room for the old farts that are set in their ways..they are the dinosaurs of the post industry…period!””
I read that post and I believe you need to take it in context. Kim was talking about evolving and had just told a story about an employer who did not evolve and was kicking themselves that they didn’t. In that context, she was comparing those who don’t evolve with the industry to “dinosaurs” who, as everyone knows, met their demise because they did not evolve. I don’t consider that “name calling”. That was a valid comparison. It’s like saying, “those who choose to ignore history are doomed to repeat it”. She was saying that, like the dinosaurs, those who don’t evolve with the industry will become irrelevant and unemployed. The term “old farts” was definitely name calling though. 😉
This is true in any industry. Those who resist change will fall behind as those who embrace it move forward.
I don’t believe that those who resist FCP X are resisting change as much as trying to find a connection between their workflow and the new workflow which may not connect if you are using tape based ingestion or have other software in the production pipeline that prevent change from happening. This has been a good thread to point that out since I had not considered that before.
~jr
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[Oliver Peters] “No way to do this in X. Roles is how many of us think it *could* happen, but for now you have to use Compound Clips.”
I was afraid if that. 🙁
[Oliver Peters] “IMHO audio functionality for doing real mixes is a LOT better in PProCC.”
The best for my money is Vegas Pro. It has a full fledges DAW built in with a mixer that has buses and sub-buses and sends, and everything you could possibly want for audio production. As I said, this is what I miss most when I’m using FCP X.
~jr
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[Tim Wilson] “You may have some distant memory of a fellow who was so dismayed by Avid’s mishandling of DS that he left both it and Windows behind to go both feet into FCP”
While we’re talking lack of trust….I don’t think this fellow was me as I am still in the business, but as an early adopter, beta tester and general manager of a company that bought several DS systems, the way Avid treated that product and it’s customers burned a deep distrust of the company in me. Kill a superior product due to some sort of corporate arrogance, IMHO. Except for a very few (Marianna, to be specific), I rarely take a word from Avid as being truth. That’s why I react to things like the Avid Customer Association and some of the promises that came after the subscription announcement as so much bulls**t. Let’s see how they couch the subscription price increase next year…you know it’s gonna happen.
So for the FCP-7 folks that felt burned, I feel ya. But I also agree with Tim that it was best to EOL it right then and there and move on. Take the legs out of the story, take your lumps and move on.
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
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[John Rofrano] “I read that post and I believe you need to take it in context.”
The context of Kim’s post is the entirety of Kim’s postings at the time, which were totally hyperbolic about X and contemptuous of anyone not ready to join the parade. Whether you believe it to be accurate or not, the idea that there were no postings calling some editors “dinosaurs” is simply not true.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Scott Witthaus] ” I also agree with Tim that it was best to EOL it right then and there and move on. Take the legs out of the story, take your lumps and move on.”
Except, of course, for the fact that the legs never came off the story, the lumps keep coming in terms of an industry wide antipathy to X based mostly on misinformation, and this forum is ample demonstration that many have not moved on. So yes, a perfect roll out.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Jeremy Garchow] “This is my fault. I have more work to do.”
No grovelling, I’m allowed one victory in 3 years.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “No grovelling, I’m allowed one victory in 3 years.
“Ha! Nice one. Here’s the thread where I did more research on the matter. I now have to go back and search dinosaurs and see what I see (or not). It seems that term was used mostly in the vain of learning something new, and moving from FCS 3 to any other NLE, not just X.
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/75201
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[Steve Connor] “I absolutely do NOT buy in to the idea that tracks in NLEs “get in the way” of storytelling or the editing process in general, it’s just a different way of working.”
Wouldn’t this depend on the person Steve?
To some people, anything they don’t “need” to tell the story could be considered in “their” way.
Tracks or whatever it is.
I could see somebody else saying, they are not in “my” way because I like them.
You can tell a story effectively without tracks. If you couldn’t then X or programs like it wouldn’t work.
Many people like to organize with tracks. If that’s something a person doesn’t care about I could see them saying “get that out of my way”
To me, that was much of the idea behind this simplistic looking UI in the first place. They were trying to put the things they thought that most people that would use the program would use most upfront, and the other things in the back.
There are things in your house that you don’t use everyday, like maybe the good plates. They don’t need to be up in the front so that you are reaching over them every day. You move them to the back. That’s how most people organize their homes.
I’m not using it right now, get it out of “my” way.
To me, this entire program is designed around that mindset.
Many people in life are trying to get from point A to B in the fewest amount of steps. Any extra steps on the journey are intolerable hahahahaha
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[tony west] “[Steve Connor] “I absolutely do NOT buy in to the idea that tracks in NLEs “get in the way” of storytelling or the editing process in general, it’s just a different way of working.”
Wouldn’t this depend on the person Steve?”
Apologies, should have added the caveat “for experienced Editors”
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[Oliver Peters] “The reason is that none of the options completely fill the needs as well as FCP 4-7/FC Studio for many customers. Apple really ended up in a nice sweet spot with this product and replacing it is still hard.”
True enough. I use X, but I’m still pining for some things I had before. This week I have to go back to 7 so I can get some deck control and bring in some corrupted clips from tape again.
Message to Apple: I have to keep this old Mac Pro around with an old OS so I can run FCP 7… otherwise I could buy another new machine… just saying…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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