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  • Walter Soyka

    December 31, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    [Charlie Austin] “In the case of Color, Apple probably decided that competing with great, free apps wasn’t worth it. But who knows…”

    Though I’m not sure the timeline (ha!) supports this theory, the idea that Apple would not wish to compete against a lower-cost offering — after they themselves salted this particular field a couple years earlier — is a little horrifying, no?

    Walter Soyka
    Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    @keenlive   |   RenderBreak [blog]   |   Profile [LinkedIn]

  • Walter Soyka

    December 31, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “Basically the Apple UI guys played hockey the day that the design class taught about readability.”

    That must be when they learned to skate to where the puck is going.

    Walter Soyka
    Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    @keenlive   |   RenderBreak [blog]   |   Profile [LinkedIn]

  • Oliver Peters

    December 31, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    [Charlie Austin] “True, but plain vanilla iCloud still works as it always did. “

    Actually, no it doesn’t. During the “beta” period for iCloud Pages, Numbers, Keynote, you could log in and make online document revisions and create new documents. This was compatible with all versions of iPad and Mac (at least Mavericks). You might have to save and upload a backwards compatible version, but it was interchangeable, including online with sharing from a Windows machine without any special add-on. That functionally was completely wiped out with iCloud Drive.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Oliver Peters

    December 31, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    Hooky, darn it. Hooky! Stupid spell check! 😉

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Oliver Peters

    December 31, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    [Jeff Markgraf] “Quantel certainly didn’t think so, since they made the Edit Box (killed more by high price and poor marketing that by any lack of capability or suitability to its task).”

    I don’t think that was all. As I recall, this unit, like Harry, used a vertical filmstrip metaphor as the timeline. The system was replaced when Quantel went down the GenerationQ hardware route with eQ, iQ, Qedit, etc. (now Pablo Rio). At that point, they switched the UI to a more traditional source/record/track-based timeline layout. Obviously the filmstrip idea wasn’t a winner.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Oliver Peters

    December 31, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    [David Mathis] “I would love to use Resolve for editing as well but choppy playback is a negative. In other words playback is not in realtime. I have a mid 2012 Mac Pro so this could be an issue? “

    The issue is the nature of the video processing. AFAIK, Resolve processes video at a much higher bit depth (and as full RGB) than does a normal NLE. Once you add any color correction node, it’s like adding a filter effect in an NLE. More nodes is the same as more filters in a stack. Add this on top of superior image processing and you really have a beast that still isn’t suitable for most average desktop machines, IF you want constant, reliable real-time playback. Something that FCP X can’t consistently deliver either, BTW.

    I’m not sure of Resolve, but back in the DaVinci hardware days, video was sub-sampled internally as RGB 8:8:8 and ingested from tape or telecine with custom i/o hardware. Prior to the BMD acquisition Resolve only came as a Linux software system. This ran on a Linux cluster, which allows ganging a bunch of GPUs. You can still get Resolve that way. If you want real-time playback without hiccups, that’s the kind of hardware you’ll need.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Oliver Peters

    December 31, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Also this seems relevant:

    https://appleinsider.com/articles/14/12/30/apples-latest-mac-pro-continues-to-cause-problems-for-professional-users

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Oliver Peters

    December 31, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    I think part of this argument comes back to creative editing versus finishing. I would argue that X is a very good creative (or “offline”) editing tool. That’s where the freeform, trackless, magnetic nature is the most useful. It’s also where the organization of collections, keywords, etc. adds to speed.

    OTOH, I would argue that a finishing system (as in “online) works better with tracks and no magnetism. The conundrum is that there are a lot of nice plug-ins available for X that you’d really like to have on a finishing system.

    Either way, this makes a pretty good argument for editing a rough cut on X and then sending the list over to Premiere Pro or Smoke or something else for finishing. For example, I know a number of editors who also exclusively do their “finishing” in After Effects!

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Tony West

    December 31, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    [Jeff Markgraf] “Uh oh. Must not mention experience or awards, lest the “get off my lawn!” set start yelling in righteous (ALL CAPS) indignation.

    hahaha

    It’s funny, for me, so much of broadcast these days is turn it around in a short period of time.

    Often shoot and to air same day. That’s when “experience” comes in. To me it’s much more challenging working under the gun and getting it right than when you have all the time in the world.

    Doesn’t mean that you are working on something cheap, or that nobody will watch it. Just the nature of working in television sometimes.

    It would be awesome to send everything out for audio sweetening and grading. The reality is that’s often not an option. But having RX 4 sitting in that program is an option. And a good one : )

  • Tony West

    December 31, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    [Peter J. DeCrescenzo] “I’ve put in a call to an editor friend who uses FCPX to see if either she or someone she knows can give me a brief, in-person tutorial so I can ask questions. “

    This might be your best move Peter.

    Recently a friend and co-worker of mine needed to put together a wedding for a close family member.

    He was worked in TV as a shooter for years and his work is excellent.

    He had never really cut professionally and is not really interested in it but wanted to do his family member this favor. The fact that he was a clean slate at editing might have helped him, I’m not sure.

    He came over to my house and I gave him a one on one for a couple of hours. He took notes and asked questions then went home to cut.

    He used 2 cameras and his footage looked great because, well, he’s a great shooter.

    He called me with a few questions but after that he was pretty much up and running. What he really loved was the multicam which he had never used in his life. he didn’t call with any questions about that, which was interesting.

    He didn’t have to fix much when it came to color or sound because of his experience shooting. He just wanted his finished product to look as professional as the way he shot it.

    I looked at a little bit of it and it turned out nice.

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