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Reconsidering FCPX in Hollywood
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[Neil Goodman] “I was trying to make the same point, that people aren’t educated about it, sorry that didn’t come through clearer.”
OTOH – the simple reason could be that very few editors actually care. After all, if you are a committed After Effects or Pro Tools user, it’s unlikely that Fusion, Nuke, Logic, or Nuendo (respectively) would hold that much interest for you.
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Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Neil Goodman] “Editors need a reason to switch – a bunch of people saying “hey look its faster”, month after month for the last 7 years obviously hasn’t made a difference to them or overridden the bad rep it got at the start.”
I’ll riff on this a second and say that a “reason to switch” typically needs to be something so broken in their current workflow that they are actively looking for alternatives. Someone trying to sell them a solution to a problem they don’t have (or don’t think they have) isn’t likely to get very far. This is why the comparisons to FCP Legend’s adoption rate are so fraught with holes. It’s not that ‘X is so different it scares people’ it’s that circumstances that existed in the early-to-mid 2000s don’t exist today.
With that being said, I agree that large swath of the editing community doesn’t follow every update to every NLE so I’m not surprised that FCP X is still feeling the effects of the not-so-great launch in 2011 (as they say, “You don’t get a second change to make a first impression”). So I think there is a need for education/getting the word out there about how things have changed, though there’s no point in being heavy handed about it. If the people you are talking to are receptive, great. If not, don’t waste time trying to badger/brow beat them into agreeing with you. It won’t work and it will likely just add to the negative association they already have with X.
I still run into people that complain about how horrible Avid is because they were wronged by Avid in 2003 or what a POS Windows is even though they haven’t touched it since Windows ME. It is what it is.
And it’s not like editors are the only people like this. Anyone that has spent time, money, effort, etc., on something (as a professional, hobbyist, amateur, etc.,) is likely to have a strong opinion on what they think works vs what they think doesn’t work (or doesn’t work as well). For example, I recently did a bit of DIY work on some hardscaping and in my Googling came across a number of very spirited discussions about whether or not you should use deck screws or nails (or a combination of both) when building a deck.
I really liked the realistic, pragmatic approach that Josh Beal took in his demo. I think if we need more demos like that and less tribal pontificating.
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I’ve always felt that this forum without Aindreas was like Gladiator without Russell Crowe.
It lost most of its lustre when he went into premature retirement.
(Sorry, Tim, I know you disagree.)
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[Simon Ubsdell] “If FCP X is self-evidently the best product at the best price with the best support (and so on), then market forces tell us that it should be the de facto choice everywhere, including Hollywood.”
Well, in the absence of that annoying “market segmentation” thing
There is no “best vehicle.” Certainly not Across boats, planes, cars and motorcycles.
Clearly, the best cars will outsell the best motorcycles by orders of magnitude.
And a general purpose digital video manipulation tool can easily outsell a “commercial vehicle” NLE like AVID without that saying anything about the quality of the AVID software at all.
My concern has always been that the largest group of grumblers here are those truck drivers – annoyed that the smaller vehicle drivers are showing up on the loading docks and claiming they can move the packages just as well as the big rigs – and those truck drivers are pretty annoyed
And, of course, It remains to be seen if some robotic “goods movers” are on the horizon that will steal all those loads from all of us.
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[Neil Goodman] “I bet your ass if all of the sudden – every shop switched to X – Editors would figure it out very quickly – or be poor.”
I was stuck on FCP7 for a couple of years after FCPX came out. But the minute a large Redmond, WA corporation brought me in to a group that used FCPX exclusively and paid me bucket loads of cash, you can bet I learned it in a week. That 2 year period, taught me the superiority of FCPX over Premiere, and I choose FCPX whenever I can preferentially. Simon should know that there are a lot of us out there.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “come on though, this is the oldest joke in editing. This forum is the last standing bar of FCPX.”
Well, the FCP10 editors Facebook page has 30,000 members, the Premiere editors Facebook page has 20,000 members, and the AVID editors FB page has 18,000 members. Just saying…
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[Bill Davis] “My concern has always been that the largest group of grumblers here are those truck drivers ….”
Possibly the best use of the automobile metaphor in this forum. I almost agree with you Bill. The image of a container strapped to a Smart Car lingers.
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[Bill Davis] “My concern has always been that the largest group of grumblers here are those truck drivers”
For the demo that kicked off this thread though it’s clearly a trucker talking to other truckers about trucking. Josh made it very clear that his talk was limited to higher end, scripted TV/Film editing in major US markets.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “(Sorry, Tim, I know you disagree.)”
What?!? Not at all! My lamentations went unheard. Professor O’Gallchoir and I have stayed in touch over the years on topics as wide-ranging as poetry, Connemara, VR, and Cashel Blue cheese, among many others. If I could find a way to work those into this forum, I would, and if I’ve ever given the least impression that I don’t miss Aindreas every day he’s not here, I’m amiss.
This is a lovely thread that I’m enjoying immensely, by the way, and hope to contribute to it more meaningfully….soon. ????????????
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