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  • Rapid upload to youtube

    Posted by Ellen Mckay on November 3, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Hi Everyone!

    I’m trying to figure out the quickest way our (non-partisan) election videographers can upload their footage to the Video the Vote site really quickly. The upload method/compression, etc are the same as Youtube. Let’s assume that they’ll have an average of 20min of SD DV 4×3 footage and FCP. Goal is (as always) smallest file with reasonably good quality. There won’t be time for testing various settings. So, they need to:
    1)use capture now into FCP with DV NTSC 48khz Easy Set-Up.
    2)Place the long clip(s) into a DV NTSC seq and blade out the bad bits.
    Then WHAT? (export how?)

    Would you give me your best guess for export settings?—codec, frame rate, frame size, everything they need to set.

    Thx

    David Roth weiss replied 17 years, 6 months ago 8 Members · 18 Replies
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  • Ray Raley

    November 3, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Ken Stone’s site has a great article on You Tube encoding with Compressor presets.

    https://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/you_tube_redux_gary.html

  • Ellen Mckay

    November 3, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    I know–and I diligently test different settings. But here the situation is: quick and dirty export,around 20 min SD DV 4×3 48 hkhz direct from FCP (not through Compressor) I’ll be instructing 100’s of shooters (non-partisan) how we want them to upload and tapping the FCP community for best guesses. Won’t hold anybody to anything!

    Very Grateful,
    Ellen

  • David Roth weiss

    November 3, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    Ellen,

    Feel free to hold me to this…

    First, Youtube uploads are limited to under 10-minutes and 1024 megabytes. Twenty minute videos won’t work. So, now that you know that, do you want to know more?

    David

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

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  • Ellen Mckay

    November 3, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Yes, yes! Please advise. I’m with Election Protection working with 100s of shooters. Youtube was just shorthand for the technical assumptions. We dispatchers are sort of field producers on a National level and will be the ones deciding whether to upload to Youtube or anywhere else public.

    Thus, we’re not strictly limiting the length or file size. But want the smallest size at the best reasonable quality. Fairly quick and hopefully not too dirty

    So, I’m making a bunch of assumptions in asking the question. Feel free to assume 10 min. Note: I also have to assume that people won’t have Compressor. Need to get QT export settings. Specifically:

    Ref movie or self contained?
    frame rate and size
    audio settings are really important to file size so please include
    anything else they need

    Feel free to send screenshots if easier but it’d be great if you’al would answer this publicly.

    An aside: if professional filmmakers reading this are from Virginia, Missouri or Nevada please think about acting as a non-partisan volunteer on call. Sign up at http://www.videothevote.org

    Thanks so much,
    Ellen Frick

  • Tom Brooks

    November 3, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    https://www.videothevote.org/resources/footagehowto?web=1

    This link has what appear to be good recommendations. I would recommend H.264, 2-pass VBR at 2000-4000Kbps, with audio around 64-128Kbps, 44.1, mono for YouTube. Now, to extrapolate that to another video service is a guess.

    The settings listed on the link are on the lower end of that, but should be good. My calculations suggest that, at 256Kbps upload speed, it will take at least 156 minutes to upload 20 minutes of video if the data rate of the clip is 2000Kbps.

    You could probably get away with a data rate around 1000Kbps total and still look very good. This would improve the upload speed. Compare my guess to others you get.

  • David Roth weiss

    November 3, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Ellen,

    Here’s what I would do if I were in the need for speed and simplicity.

    1. Export Quicktime Movie using current settings.
    Keep recompress all frames unchecked.
    Keep make movie self contained checked.
    This is the fastest export form te timeline and will enable the editor to keep editing in FCP while the file is compressed for the web.

    2. Import the self contained QT into Quicktime player.
    Choose File >> Export For the Web.
    Set the Desktop or some folder you can easlily find as your detination.
    Check the first box that says “iPhone”.
    Uncheck the 2nd and third boxes.
    Don’t worry about the poster frame.
    Hit Export and go back to editing addtional stuff in FCP while this file encodes.

    3. Import into Youtube and pray they are not overwhelmed.

    Good luck,
    David

    And, remember to vote early and often…

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • Bret Williams

    November 3, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Doesn’t that create a .m2v that is the bizarre aspect ratio of the iphone? It’s also small. I thought she was going for full size video. For full size video I usually export to h.264 at 800 or 1000 kb/s. Drop the frame rate to 15fps, and use the “faster” option for the compression instead of 2 pass. I also lower the audio to 32khz and make it mono. 15fps saves a lot of data space as does the lower audio rate. You’re getting 2000 kbps @ 30 fps quality at half the file size. The audio difference isn’t noticeable, and in most situations 15fps is acceptable as well.

  • Ellen Mckay

    November 3, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    This is so helpful.

    Audio questions; I don’t know meaning of Kbps as opposed to kHz and don’t see a setting. How are these units related to 16 bits? Little Endian Linear PCM? Multipass vs. 2 pass VBR I’ve learned recently that audio settings have a significant effect on file size but not sure which are more important than others.

    I’m probably supposed to use “defaults” on some of these but, since not sure if I modified them, need comprehensive settings.

    Lost in audio lingo land,

    Ellen

  • David Roth weiss

    November 3, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Bret,

    You evidently don’t have an iPhone and obviously haven’t tried out that methology. I recommend both…

    There are obviously many other export methods and settings that novices could screw with and screw up, but few methodologies are as quick, and as foolproof, and with the minimum possible ways to screw up as the one I posted.

    The file I used to test was 5-mins of ProRes 1920x1080i at 4.6Gb. It yields a 35Mb file at 480×270 that takes only 8-mins to render and it’s flawless. BTW, it’s a an .m4v video, which is really just .h264. Sure, Youtube hits it pretty hard as it deos just about everything, but Ellen wants a speedy and goofproof option, and that’s exactly what I’ve given her.

    David

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • David Roth weiss

    November 3, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    [Ellen McKay] “Lost in audio lingo land”

    Ellen,

    If you start to get into bitrates and kHz with your masses of amatuer videographers, the election will be over before your videos see the light of day.

    Trust me, the workflow I gave you is as fast, as simple, and foolproof as it gets.

    David

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

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