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question about FCPX naming conventions
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[Michael Hancock] “Bin has a very clear meaning to most editors. Event doesn’t. Why change terminology when they do essentially the same thing? It’s confusing and seems completely unnecessary.”
It doesn’t do essentially the same thing. I just explained that.
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It’s an event because it’s an event in iMovie. It’s an event in iMovie because it’s an event, Johnny’s birthday.
All the best,
Tom
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[Tom Wolsky] “It’s an event because it’s an event in iMovie. It’s an event in iMovie because it’s an event, Johnny’s birthday.”
It’s super helpful when someone posts a reply many levels deep into a thread that doesn’t acknowledge any of the previous discussion.
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That’s because the rest of the discussion, of which I was party to before you joined it, is complete bullshit.
All the best,
Tom
Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP7,” “Basic Training for FCS” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
Coming in 2011 “Complete Training for FCPX”
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[Tom Wolsky] “That’s because the rest of the discussion, of which I was party to before you joined it, is complete bullshit.”
Well, who could argue with such a well-reasoned position?
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Actually no, I’ll correct that. It was a perfectly reasonable discussion until you joined.
All the best,
Tom
Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP7,” “Basic Training for FCS” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
Coming in 2011 “Complete Training for FCPX”
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[Tom Wolsky] “Actually no, I’ll correct that. It was a perfectly reasonable discussion until you joined.”
Which you’ve demonstrated conclusively by calling what I said “bullshit” without explanation, I suppose.
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[Chris Kenny] “It doesn’t do essentially the same thing. I just explained that.”
No you didn’t. You said “It’s a flat collection of data organized using metadata and saved queries.” How is that different than a bin, other than the saved queries? You name clips, they have timecode, you add comments and custom metadata, you sort them by that data, you search them by that data. I was doing that in Avid for years and they’re constantly expanding on it. You can do most of that in FCP7.
If you explained it before I didn’t get it. How is an event different from a bin? They both hold things with metadata attached. You search and sort them both. In Avid you cannot put a bin into a bin – it’s not a folder. It sounds like an event. What does an Event do, besides save search queries, that a bin doesn’t?
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[Michael Hancock] “No you didn’t. You said “It’s a flat collection of data organized using metadata and saved queries.” How is that different than a bin, other than the saved queries? You name clips, they have timecode, you add comments and custom metadata, you sort them by that data, you search them by that data. I was doing that in Avid for years and they’re constantly expanding on it. You can do most of that in FCP7. “
Bins are not organized using metadata. They can contain items that have metadata and can be sorted by metadata, but this is not the same thing. It’s like the difference between the Finder and iTunes. The former is built around the concept of a single canonical hierarchical organization for your data. The latter supports ad-hoc organization based on metadata.
Actually, FCP X is even more metadata-oriented than iTunes. iTunes allows songs to be placed on playlists independently of any metadata they have attached. FCP X has no equivalent of this; the only way to associate items with each other inside an event is through common metadata.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “look – this feels nihilistic, because it feels like a – throw up your hands moment – we are basically clinging to meta data and Apple’s super duper long term intentions for VA handling to convince ourselves that this is a professional application – it’s why we are arguing so hard – we’re screaming around this thing and the truth is it’s organised like iphoto, it presents imovie’s timeline, the clip connections have no resonance or meaning really.
God but why did they come to NAB?
Really though, why – why – did they do that?”
You’re making a large number of subjective and/or poorly justified statements and telling yourself they add up to an argument.
You know why Apple showed up at NAB? You know why they introduced this as the successor to FCP 7? You know why FCP X has features (and a price point) that would make no sense for an actual consumer app?
Because Apple intends for this platform to the the future of video editing.
They’re taking a risk. They may not succeed. There will probably be short-term losses. But people who claim Apple is retreating to the ‘consumer’ market are arguing that this must be so because Apple couldn’t possibly believe they could redefine ‘pro’ editing this much. I think this seriously underestimates Apple’s ambition.
(The above position will be treated as crazy in this forum, but it fits the available facts better than the “Apple is abandoning pros” position, and is consistent with the general scope of Apple’s ambitions in markets it enters.)
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