Projectors under 15k.

[Juan Salvo]

Just upscale. I think that’s pretty clear from the product website. You want 4K input look at the Sony.

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[John Whitcomb]

It’s clear it can up res but not that it can’t play 4k. (I could have looked harder)
Which Sony are you referring to?

[Ryan Holmes]

It’s just an upscaled image. Just read the “Performance” page:
https://procision.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL029155&pathId=140&page=12

Juan is probably referring to these projectors from Sony:
https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-projectors/cat-ultrahires/

Or maybe these (though these are intended for theater projection, not so much post-production suites):
https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-projectors/cat-digitalcinema/

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[John Whitcomb]

Yeah, the cheapest Sony is 50k

[Juan Salvo]

I thought we were talking about consumer products.

I think the comparable Sony would be the https://store.sony.com/p/VPL-VW1000ES/en/p/VPLVW1000ES

But I hope you don’t intend to use this for color critical work. For color critical 4K, you’d be looking at a steal for 50k. Meaning I don’t think there is a 50k product that can do color critical 4K display. Projection or otherwise.

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[Ryan Holmes]

[Juan Salvo] “I thought we were talking about consumer products.”

Funny…I thought he was asking about projectors for post-production work environments given his in parenthesis statement: [John Whitcomb] “(in other words, can I feed it 4k from Resolve?)”

Goes to show how much mis-interpretation can happen! 🙂 Juan you might be right because like you said, you’re not going to find a color critical monitor for anywhere close to under $15K like the OP asked. You can certainly find some nice consumer based projectors for $10-$15K though. But those professional Sony ones will cost you a mortgage to get.

Maybe if the mythical RED Ray 4K projector ever makes it to market….

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[Juan Salvo]

You’re absolutely right. Although plenty of people want to be able to review footage through resolve at full res without necessarily using that image as a color critical evaluation. So all kinds of uses for stuff.

I don’t think the red laser projector if it ever does come to market will be truly viable for color critical evaluation either. I think it’ll be in the same park as the nice consumer projectors that are similarly priced. Laser light is inherently spikey.

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[John Whitcomb]

I dont know, those $1500 4k 55″ Seiki monitors are getting a lot of attention.
A few post houses are claiming that after ISF calibration they are good enough for color work.
I’m finding that is generally true for most high end consumer products these days. (see the reduser.net thread)

Once you get into the area where even most professionals can’t tell the difference in color accuracy between 2 different displays, spending the extra $100k-200k for something that is intangible (and the client doesn’t get a sh!# about) is a hard sell. I’ve got a cinetal and a panasonic 12 series plasma and most people would rather focus on the plasma. It’s more of a real world result, and I can understand where they are coming from. (shoot, now clients are having me export videos to view on their iPads before signing off)

[Juan Salvo]

[John Whitcomb] “I dont know, those $1500 4k 55” Seiki monitors are getting a lot of attention.
A few post houses are claiming that after ISF calibration they are good enough for color work. “
If by few (post houses) you mean one. And having seen the display, and tested it fairly thoroughly, I can confirm it’s very much a gimmick. (It is exactly and nothing more than it claims to be, a bargain priced, bottom market knockoff panel that can’t even do 709) Great for the price though. But ultimately a joke; Seiki, pronounced ‘Sucky’.

[John Whitcomb] “Once you get into the area where even most professionals can’t tell the difference in color accuracy between 2 different displays, spending the extra $100k-200k for something that is intangible (and the client doesn’t get a sh!# about) is a hard sell.”

You’re not in this area when comparing a consumer projector to a DI projector. And you’re certainly not in this area when talking about a $1500 bottom market display.

There’s certainly a purpose and place for all tiers of equipment. And there’s no point in paying enormous sums just for it’s own sake. If you want to do 4K theatrical finishing though, you certainly need to meet a baseline of performance. The bargain products simply don’t do that.

Not to go off on a rant here, but there are some in our industry who are engaged in what is essentially malpractice.

Someone using a display that can’t even do 709 as a color critical device in a “DI” suite is doing his clients an enormous disservice. When their client goes to screen their “4K master” in the only true 4K enviroment currently available (a DCi Projector) and see something that is either entirely inaccurate, or inaccurate and also a minuscule fraction of what their original image was capable of, that hurts all of us who practice this craft. It reduces client confidence in all of us, if some are tricking them.

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[John Whitcomb]

When you say malpractice I’m assuming you mean the people using the seiki/any other consumer display as a main display? Yes.. that would be ridiculous, it’s important to have a proper grading display (cinetal, dolby, fsi?). However, ironically, my client displays become what everyone wants to base things off of in the end anyway.

In fact, some of the biggest budget music videos right now are being done on a particular directors apple cinema display with his colorist coming to him to grade, its just the way this director likes to work, and I dont see the 100+ million views per video suffering because of what they graded on.

Ultimately, there is a major market for a “DaVinci Resolve” type game changer of projectors, affordable, professional, scalable etc. Maybe RED will finally release one?