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Progress!
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[tony west] “To have a Hall of Fame’r in your peer group give you that kind of nod, and your co-workers come up to you and say “dude, that was f ing awesome””
Which has absolutely zero to do with FCPX, MC, or Premiere. None of those is going to get you a single half-step closer to achieving that feeling.
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[Gary Huff] “Which has absolutely zero to do with FCPX, MC, or Premiere. None of those is going to get you a single half-step closer to achieving that feeling.”
Back when I did that video it was in a room that cost almost a million bucks to build.
Full of expensive equipment that most folks couldn’t afford. That limited access.
When it got down to a laptop and a couple of hundred bucks, who can’t get in.
But back to the OT
I remember when you did a green screen shoot and you had to make sure you lit it even.
You wanted all the wriggles out.With X, it will cut dang near any green out wriggles and all. It’s an excellent keyer. That task doesn’t take as much skill as it used to now with that program.
X will try to fix your audio for you if you want it to.
I don’t think it does a good enough job for me (yet) and I would rather use something like Izotope.
But……..thats the first step. It try’s
Then next year maybe it gets better at it. Then next better. Until you just click and fix audio that took more skill to fix in the past.
Back when I was in that control room there was no…………Can I fix that for you?
It was all me.
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[tony west] “I don’t think it does a good enough job for me (yet) and I would rather use something like Izotope.”
I have used both and iZotope is definitely better.
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Gary,
It may be “better” from your perspective. Not necessarily from a universal one.
And sorry, but you are cluelessly missing the point of Tony’s story. He’s relaying an anecdote from his career in the upper echelons of sports broadcasting. It goes to his credentials. It says “people who have seen my work KNOW I can edit to reveal a powerful story through editing.”
You can disbelieve him. Which on the Internet is fair. But at some point the aggregate of what a person postts here and elsewhere in this era where everything lives on the net persistently -reveals whether they are what they say they are or not.
Tony has long since revealed himself to be what he purports. A professional working in sports broadcasting.
So his opinion gets more weight in my book – whether I agree with him or not. Same with everyone else here from Herb to Jeremy to Walter.
You get the same treatment.
Some of us have a long history of seeing FCP-X positively (I’m probably at the very front of that line) – and as months go by I’m happier and happier that that’s the position I arrived at so early.
Yours has long been that X is a troublesome mess that you barely tolerate and complain about constantly.
Your welcome to maintain that position. But dissing other pros opinions in order to maintain it is silly IMO.
My 2 cents.
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[Bill Davis] “You can disbelieve him. Which on the Internet is fair. But at some point the aggregate of what a person postts here and elsewhere in this era where everything lives on the net persistently -reveals whether they are what they say they are or not.”
Not at all, but I think we need to be aware of when we created a story out of nothing from editing, and when we simply got out of the way as an editor.
I’m just trying to understand what the idea of “high end” editing is (outside of having a great DP who delivers astounding footage in the first place).
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[tony west] ” You don’t like it because you want to look down your nose at people using programs that you may not approve of.”
Where is that idea even coming from? Do you understand the difference between After Effects and a Digital Juice motion graphics template, or are you just trying to be difficult?
[tony west] “Local news? who said anything abut local news. I was talking about NETWORK news. I have never done local news.”
You actually never specified exactly, so I merely made an assumption. A poor assumption, but frankly, that was just a snark and not the crux of my dismissal of it.
[tony west] “Who sends out a 2 man crew to cover local news? You should have known better than that, dude.”
Not sure where that’s coming from…I guess you easily get confused between conversations with different people? You keep alluding to things that were never said or expressed. I said that poor audio on a standup would be inexcusable, but I don’t see how that equates to “Local news sends out a 2 person crew to cover local stories.”
[tony west] “And Air force one means the President of the United States. Get the sound right.”
Sorry, if you’re too lazy to write out “Air Force One” and instead call it “AF one”, I have no idea what you’re talking about, nor will I care. But if you’re going to be that specific about it, then perhaps a link is in order.
I would suspect that the actual video will be understandable in its poor production values, thus rendering your entire point ridiculously absurd.
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I think this raises what should be a broader discussion. If you look at the history of filmmaking, the creative process starts on the page, is interpreted by the director and creative team, and assembled and enhanced in post. All three stages could in different hands be art, and/or craft, and/or neither.
It is my belief that the long standing disrespect for the writing stage is responsible for the large percentage of films that are neither artistic nor well crafted, even when technically state of the art.
As editing has taken on god like abilities, this process has become even more imbalanced and corrupted.
Obviously if an editor does not have to cut around poorly executed shots, it makes life easier. But literally writing the story in post from a collection of even very beautiful shots is a very different art than the one that starts on the page.
I actually like this new way of working in certain types of documentary or documentary style filmmaking. I see this as picking a subject, using a video camera like the traditional film camera, and letting the subject tell the story – like finding the sculpture in the rock you are carving.
But for narratives, I think creating scripts that are both artistic and well crafted and using them as blueprints is the far better way to produce a film. Making it up as you go along often looks the part.
Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Camcorders: Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV30/40, Sony Z7U, VX2000, PD170; FCP 6 certified; write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.
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[Gary Huff] “Do you understand the difference between After Effects and a Digital Juice motion graphics template, or are you just trying to be difficult?”
After Effects makes it easier for you to do effects than before after effects came out.
That’s why they put it out. After effects gives you way more control to build from scratch but it still makes building effects EASIER than before.
DJ you could argue makes it even easier.
[Gary Huff] “I guess you easily get confused between conversations with different people? “
It wouldn’t be if you weren’t too lazy to just scroll back up and read what I wrote.
[Gary Huff] “You keep alluding to things that were never said or expressed. “
See the above comment.
[Gary Huff] ” perhaps a link is in order.”
Gary, what’s the matter with you? There is no link because I saw it on TV. That’s the whole point of what I was talking about. TV over the air is a higher standard. Yet it went out anyway.
That wasn’t tolerated when I first broke into NETWORK news. Now it is.
The whole point was that standards have dropped to save money.
Who doesn’t know that who works in the biz?
Come on now
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