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Premiere VS Final Cut
This is an old question of mine…. I can use Final Cut on a MacBook and I can be able to edit in Full HD realtime with ProRes. Can’t do the same with Premiere unless I install Cineform. But ProRes is free.. Cineform NO… Can somebody suggest a realtime codec to work in Premiere with HD footage originally coming from M2T or H264 footage ? Premiere CS5 (if you don’t have a NVIDIA QUADRO card) doesn’t seem to get better
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I understand your concern.
Apple has decided that a homogenous codec solves their engineering problems with regards to HD footage. So they out the emphasis on engineering a standardized codec. Thus you pretty should be converting anything into ProRez to be working.Adobe has put the emphasis on supporting native formats.
In these early incarnations, price advantage goes to Apple, as no extra software is necessary.In the long run Adobe has a good plan, as hardware prices will continue to diminish and thus you’ll have a workflow that doesn’t require conversion on off the shelf hardware. So you gain the speed.
But today, Cineform is likely your Premiere ProRez equivalent.
Alex
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Yes.. but Cineform costs 500 euro. I wonder why no one at Adobe thought of optimizing Premiere for ProRes.. at least in this CS5 version. Or to buy Cineform.. as they did for MPEG Main Concept at some point
siRoma di Marcello Mazzilli
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They can think about it all they want to.
The ability to write Pro Rez is not available at all on the PC.
And only recently can PC read it at all….per Apple, not Adobe.The Mac should be able to read it write it.
So you have about 3/4 of a solution for a cross platform application.Some things Adobe has no control over.
Alex
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ProRes is apple and apple want you to use apple products such as FCP. There is no way steve jobs would allow adobe full access to ProRes.
Cineform is not for sale so adobe can’t buy it.
Jon Barrie
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[Marcello Mazzilli] ” but Cineform costs 500 euro.”
What version of Cineform are you looking at? to be able to do
[Marcello Mazzilli] “HD footage originally coming from M2T or H264 footage” You could use NeoScene only $100us, Realtime with CS5 depends on the speed of your cpu, gpu, and ammount of memory -
I can’t say anything about the technicalities of how one accesses or optimized for ProRes in an app considering you’re sitting on OSX, however i’d imagine Apple has EVERY intention of making ProRes widely available. Just look at ARRI, AJA and even AVID and products like SMOKE supporting the format – in native QuickTime. This shows Apple is open for it to be more a wide-range codec. Then what they can do is have the best editor in the planet for the codec.
I think Adobe has gone the “native format” road which in some cases is very good but I do reckon they should offer a solid non-native unified format as well. Cineform sounds like a costly solution in my opinion but might be one at least. Adobe has done some work to make ProRes work rel. happily in After Effects, at least on the OSX-plattform, so perhaps there is some hope for Premier too? I know there where some nasty ProRes bugs in the first Windows release (could only read 8-bit and not 10-bit).
Is the issue in Premier that it handles ProRes poorly or that you simply have poor options of transcoding codec X to ProRes?
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Erik Lindahl
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The first one. Premiere handles Prores just any other native codec. No real time available in playback on a normal machine. Sure if you get a special machine, special raid, super processors etc.. maybe.. I say maybe.. you get realtime.
siRoma di Marcello Mazzilli
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Right, so the Premier playback engine has similar say limitations to what FCP has (i.e. ProRes, DV or Uncompressed will give you realtime effects but something like Animation won’t).
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Erik Lindahl
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yes.. still.. what everybody need is a realtime codec for HD I guess. that is the main goal. You can use DV (realtime) for SD.. but no real option for HD
siRoma di Marcello Mazzilli
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Oh, roger. That is a huge limitation. Is there an options for DVCPRO HD? Given not as good as ProRes it’s an HD DV equivalent and was very popular in FCP prior to ProRes.
IF Apple actually wants to make ProRes widely available (as it seems) and IF they actually have a license model for it perhaps Adobe could got that route.
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Erik Lindahl
Freecloud Post Production Services
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