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[Simon Ubsdell]

[Bill Davis] ” less “on-topic” content won’t build the brand very efficiently.”

I’m intrigued to know what exactly you mean by “the brand” here.

Are you talking about the COW brand (which seems to be taking care of itself pretty nicely from what I can tell)?

Or are you talking about the Apple/FCP X brand? In which case why do you think this forum is in the business of building that brand?

Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Andrew Kimery]

[Bill Davis] “But I’m not at all saying that.

I’m saying a Forum designed and marketed (by title) to focus on a particular topic, is weakened by having nothing on that topic showing in all the discussions on its front page.

When I set my forum view to “by topic” and look back one week I see 9 topics and 6 of them contain discussions about X and/or Apple. If I look back two weeks I see 17 threads and 10 of them contain discussions about X and/or Apple. If I look back 4 weeks I see 40 threads and 26 of them contain discussions about X and/or Apple. The ‘X-less’ front page you saw seems to have been a short lived anomaly.

And with regards to the few threads that only talk about the brand new releases of Resolve and Fusion, I don’t think it’s fair to characterize them as completely OT because one can’t truly discuss the effectiveness of X w/o discussing the effectiveness of other NLEs. Apple is the one that ‘re-imagined’ how an NLE should function so I don’t think it’s unfair to say the onus is on X to prove that that change of direction is the best way forward. For you, and other’s like you, the debate was over the day you got your hands on X. It fit your needs swimmingly right out of the box. For other people it is still on going. And hopefully through the nature of competition it will always be ongoing so that these companies always feel compelled to improve their offerings.

And it’s not just with big re-imagining of how things are done that can propel X forward, it’s also with smaller, relatively mundane things that add up over time. For example, the addition of Lanes and color coded Roles was huge in my opinion because many editors (myself included) are visual organizers and these two new tools give us a way to help visually organize
our timelines. For someone that already adopted X years ago it’s probably not that big of a deal because they’ve learned to get along with it out, but for someone that’s still debating whether or not X is worth it it could be something ‘small’ that finally tips the scales.

You things like this are a somewhat regular basis,

[Bill Davis] “I know I find WAY more interesting discussions about FCP X elsewhere on the web. A large chunk of those 2 million folks are active and engaged. Just not here.

which is why I think you’d be happier if this place turned into another homogeneous experience were the dominant theme is to talk about X, not to question X. That’s just antithesis to the DNA of this particular forum though. Plus there’s already a forum on the COW for that type of experience.

Particularly in today’s environment – where people clicking in, often have shortened attend spans and the ability to click away if they don’t find something satisfying that causes them to stay – less “on-topic” content won’t build the brand very efficiently.

That’s all.”

I’ll wait for Tim to officially chime in, but I bet the traffic here is still doing well.

EDIT: fixed the formatting.

[Brian Seegmiller]

You can have your GUI. I would rather edit without having to worry about tracks.

[Oliver Peters]

[Brian Seegmiller] “I would rather edit without having to worry about tracks.”

You mean like Mistika, which is based on Jaleo? It was developed years before the first FCP.

– Oliver

Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

[Scott Witthaus]

[Oliver Peters] “ou mean like Mistika, which is based on Jaleo? It was developed years before the first FCP.
“

Sure, why not.

Scott Witthaus
Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
Professor, VCU Brandcenter

[Brian Seegmiller]

What Scott said.

[Claude Lyneis]

How about calling it FCPX vs PPro? Sure Avid and Resolve drift in and out of the discussion, but X vs Pro seems to get the blood pumping.

[Andrew Kimery]

[Claude Lyneis] “How about calling it FCPX vs PPro? Sure Avid and Resolve drift in and out of the discussion, but X vs Pro seems to get the blood pumping.
“

I dunno. This recent roil over the forum name started because Bill thinks there were too many threads about Resolve and Fusion for a finite amount of time, and anytime it’s brought up how popular MC is with the we-have-budgets-big-enough-to-choose-anything-we-want crowd someone always lash out with “well, that’s just actually a really small niche..” or “they only use it because it’s entrenched, and nobody in their right mind would choose it otherwise…” blah, blah, blah. The animosity is certainly still strong there.

I’m not found of “X vs PPro” or “X vs Avid” or really X vs any specific NLE because the scope of this forum has never been that narrow. It’s more of a philosophical debate about how to best build an NLE, and of course it’s always changing because the software is always changing.

[Oliver Peters]

[Brian Seegmiller] “What Scott said.”

I just don’t get all the anxiety over tracks. I’m not fond of connecting clips and find myself needing to manage connecting points just as much or more as anything to do with tracks. So, I suppose it’s a wash. Just seems like a non-issue, to me.

– Oliver

Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

[Tony West]

“I just don’t get all the anxiety over tracks.”

It’s not anxiety because I like connected clips better. Just like YOU don’t have anxiety over connected clips. You just don’t like them.

I can see the advantage of swaping clips around in X but I don’t see an advantage to using tracks.

Some like to organize with tracks but after 10.3 and Lanes I’ve got that also.

So, why do I need tracks? Just seems like a hold over of how things used to be.