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Premiere Pro Workspaces
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[Oliver Peters] “I just don’t get all the anxiety over tracks.”
It’s not anxiety. I think there was way more anxiety contemplating the lack of tracks. Some of us find that the “trackless” model is a more efficient way to work. But I am not seeing “anxiety”.
Scott Witthaus
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There is a lot more work with tracks. Seems like a no brainer to me, but to each his or her own. https://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/articles/1864-the-fcpx-tour-ibc-videos-part-2-jesus-perez-miranda-spain-and-denver-riddle-usa
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I’m intrigued to know what exactly you mean by “the brand” here.
Are you talking about the COW brand (which seems to be taking care of itself pretty nicely from what I can tell)?
Or are you talking about the Apple/FCP X brand? In which case why do you think this forum is in the business of building that brand?”
I”m talking about the SEARCH brand – which is quite possibly the ONLY brand worth building anymore, anywhere.
If people type in “God” and the only top results returned are those promoted exclusively by – say – Scientology – is that a problem? Would anyone feel it’s a situation that needs to be addressed?
It weakens the effectiveness of search – (except for those of THAT bent, I suppose.) but it arguably DOES NOT meet the needs of the people searching.
Results of search that provide “some” unexpected results are fine. Great, in fact. Happy accidents should be encouraged.
Results of search that ONLY provide the unexpected – are damaging to the very idea of “search” itself – in my opinion.
Here’s a thought experiment:
Lets say we were all to go to the Premiere Pro forum here – and working together – make every single topic thread on the landing page there – exclusively about how DeVinci Resolve functions – to the extent the words Adobe nor Premiere get pushed off the front page.
It’s all theoretical and nobody actually gets hurt, right? So what’s the problem?
And if you argue, it’s NOT any problem at all – I say we try it!
If each of us posts a couple of RESOLVE only discussions there – we could swamp that board – and see if any of the Premiere users there have a problem with it?
Wouldn’t be that hard to do the experiment, right?
Or would that be unreasonable and kinda dickish?
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[Bill Davis] “I”m talking about the SEARCH brand – which is quite possibly the ONLY brand worth building anymore, anywhere.”
Except that in actual practice, search results tie to specific posts, not to forum categories or sections. So if you go by search, then the actual forum title doesn’t mean very much.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Bill Davis] “Happy accidents should be encouraged.”
Such as searching for an FCPX forum and being delighted that you’ve found a great forum that has a whole bunch of experienced Editors discussing all aspects of NLE’s and Post-Production
[Bill Davis] “Or would that be unreasonable and kinda d***ish?
“Implying that some people on here are being exactly that?
Very interested in Tim’s thoughts on all this……
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[Bill Davis] “If people type in “God” and the only top results returned are those promoted exclusively by – say – Scientology – is that a problem? Would anyone feel it’s a situation that needs to be addressed?”
I don’t quite follow. Are you saying the COW doesn’t always return FCP X results when you search for FCP X?
[Bill Davis] “Lets say we were all to go to the Premiere Pro forum here – and working together – make every single topic thread on the landing page there – exclusively about how DeVinci Resolve functions – to the extent the words Adobe nor Premiere get pushed off the front page.
“I can’t believe were are going on 6yrs and you still think this forum is only about FCP X. If you want a forum dedicated to X at the COW, good news, it already exists (and has for a long time). This forum, though, is dedicated to a debate about how Apple’s ‘re-imagined’ NLE experience compares/contrasts to the ‘traditional’ NLE approach used by MC, PPro, Resolve, Vegas, FCP Legend, Lightworks, etc.,.
Some others think that this place is a just general round-robin, NLE beat’em up forum, and want to given it a generic name that doesn’t involve FCP X, but I think that ignores the unique philosophical underpinnings of X which are at the heart of the debate. Tim doesn’t keep FCP X in the forum title as cheap way to swindle clicks from passersby, he keeps it in the forum title because this place is about how X’s new philosophy compares to the pre-existing philosophy that almost all other NLEs use some variation of.
In another thread you talked about the tendency for many/most people to create cognitive bias supporting information silos around themselves these days, and with that in mind I think it should be encouraged, not discouraged, to post new and relevant info about all NLEs, not just X, in a forum that’s geared toward debating about NLEs.
For example,
[Bill Davis] “As an X editor – I see TONS of X content from all over the world.In order to see stuff on Premiere or AVID – I have to actively seek it out via effort.”
[Bill Davis] “I’d love to be educated about how the Premiere or AVID editing operations are improving and evolving.”
By people posting about what’s new in other NLEs you no longer have to actively seek out that info via effort. It is brought to a place you already frequent and it gives you the opportunity to better educate yourself about applications that you don’t personally use but often talk about. I know nothing beats hands on time, but that’s not always feasible, and even reading about something you don’t currently use can sometimes give you new ideas about what you do currently use.
For example, in the article you posted years ago about the night/day Honda ad cut on X, one thing the editor did is put the poxy media in a Compound clip and edit with that until he was given the full rez media. Once he got the full rez media he just dropped that into the Compound clip and *boom* the whole edit was now full rez. Even though I don’t use X, the article was beneficially because I realized the same approach could be used in PPro via nested sequences.
Ever since then I’ve stopped thinking just in terms of clips and media, but also in terms of containers and that has changed how I approach various editing problems. For example, whenever I do foreign language interviews in PPro I always create a multicam clip (basically a nested sequence) and use that as my source because it allows me to keep interviewee’s audio, the translators audio (aligned with the interviewees audio), and the subtitles all in the same container. This keeps the timeline cleaner, and makes it simple to apply changes globally.
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But Brian, slowing down to manage tracks is BENEFICIAL.
It gives you more time to creatively simmer in your material.
You see the clip when you import it.
You see it again when you string it out.
You see it again and again and again as you visually scan that lovely string out – back and forth – over and over like a hungry man approaches a buffet stocked with delicacies!
You see it again when you “pancake” that special clip into your timeline.
oh, I’ve made the CHOICE! (shiver) I do so hope it works.
Are we being nourished yet?
Wait, it needs SEASONING. I must trim and flavor it MORE. Until it’s sublime.
The software is helping me build a SPECIAL relationship with that shot. Shot? No, visual food for my very soul.
Until that MAGIC moment it becomes a glorious part of MY CREATION (longer shiver)
THIS IS EDITING!!!!!
Without the ability to see and consider every single clip almost endlessly – juxtaposed (just so!) how can any truly qualified cutter make a decent creative decision about it? Anyone who just wants to have that clip visually hidden away (sob) until the instant you “keyword call it up” directly into your timeline – is hack and a fool and doesn’t understand this business…
It’s FAST FOOD editing. For the damaged and the soulless.
The Heathens.
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Yep, the above is insulting, stupid, and beneath the dignity of a real discussion.
Fun to write for EFFECT, tho. It’s always Fun to Wildly exaggerate the truth.
But in the end, mostly writing this way produces cute sounding CRAP.
Because we’ve had lots and lots of worthy discussions here – that touch on exactly the concepts I was pseudo mocking above.
ALL it demonstrates, IMO, is how easy is it to exaggerate someone else’s reasonable thinking and trash their ideas.
I will watch myself more about stuff like this.
Hopefully others will join me in trying to do that.
I STILL think too many of the posts here (like this one) are antagonistic to the forum brand – but that’s a better topic for a different thread.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Bill Davis] “You see the clip when you import it.
You see it again when you string it out.
You see it again and again and again as you visually scan that lovely string out – back and forth – over and over like a hungry man approaches a buffet stocked with delicacies!
You see it again when you “pancake” that special clip into your timeline.
oh, I’ve made the CHOICE! (shiver) I do so hope it works.
Are we being nourished yet?
Wait, it needs SEASONING. I must trim and flavor it MORE. Until it’s sublime.
The software is helping me build a SPECIAL relationship with that shot. Shot? No, visual food for my very soul.
Until that MAGIC moment it becomes a glorious part of MY CREATION (longer shiver)
THIS IS EDITING!!!!!”
Without the ability to see and consider every single clip almost endlessly – juxtaposed (just so!) how can any truly qualified cutter make a decent creative decision about it?”
Bill, I’m so glad your time on this board has taught you something about your chosen profession. Minus the culinary hyperbole this insight, if applied to ones work, can do wonders in improving ones craft. Bravo.
[Bill Davis] ” Anyone who just wants to have that clip visually hidden away (sob) until the instant you “keyword call it up” directly into your timeline – is hack and a fool and doesn’t understand this business…
It’s FAST FOOD editing. For the damaged and the soulless.
The Heathens. “
Now, now, we leave all the degradation and name calling to the “fanboy” types. Fast food has a very profitable place in the world and somebody has to make it, and if that someone is you, then just remember to add some special sauce and top it with a brioche.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Bill Davis] “Yep, the above is insulting, stupid, and beneath the dignity of a real discussion.”
The same could be said of the video link below.
[Bill Davis] “ALL it demonstrates, IMO, is how easy is it to exaggerate someone else’s reasonable thinking and trash their ideas.”
I agree! The link above with Jesús Pérez-Miranda shows a person trying really hard to make Premiere Pro seem like the worst editing program ever created while at the same time trying to make FCPX seem like the best editing program ever created. Having said that it does not make FCPX look like the best editing program ever. It does however demonstrate that Jesús Pérez-Miranda does not know how to use Premiere Pro efficiently.
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Would you like to show us how to use PP with more than one audio track and move things around like Jesús Pérez-Miranda did and switch shots efficiently without messing up your timeline? I would like to see that demo.
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