Premiere Pro Workspaces

[Oliver Peters]

[Bill Davis] “And at some point, it can become “bait and switch” to say it’s an FCP X place – just one that’s morphed into one with a minority of FCP X content because ALL the threads (like a few weeks back) are about Anything and Everything except FCP X. “

But don’t posts like your rant against Adobe (below) undermine this argument?

https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/97154

– Oliver

Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

[Simon Ubsdell]

[Bill Davis] “ALL the threads (like a few weeks back) are about Anything and Everything except FCP X.
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Maybe all it would take is for FCP X itself to start being novel and newsworthy again? I’m sure I’m not alone in starting to find it just a little bit stale and in need of refreshment.

It’s up to Apple to give us something new to talk about – manufactured excitement about something that’s not terribly exciting any more is hard to sustain.

Meanwhile over in Blackmagic World and elsewhere quite a lot is happening that is genuinely newsworthy.

Perhaps it’s not altogether surprising that conversation gravitates more towards the new and exciting …

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[Bill Davis]

[Steve Connor] “Perhaps FCPX users are reluctant to start discussions on the FCPX forum because it used to be the Technique forum. The old Final Cut Pro forum used to be fantastic, great user discussions and problem solving.”

Nah, it’s because we’re all OLD news here.

When was the last time we had any influx of significant new voices?

When we started debating here, FCP X users were in the hundreds.

Now there are at least 2 million.

Yet this forum has basically the same 25 voices arguing over the same stuff, endlessly.

That means we’ve abysmally FAILED to interest any really significant number of the 1,999,975 other X editors out there that might be actively participating if they found the discussions here truly useful and informative.

I know I find WAY more interesting discussions about FCP X elsewhere on the web. A large chunk of those 2 million folks are active and engaged. Just not here.

And how can they be blamed for that?

They use X, they want to LEARN about X. But when they get here – that do they see? A page is dominated by Premiere and Resolve posts.

Would YOU stay and post in that situation?

I doubt I would.

Oh well.

Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.

[Bill Davis]

[Oliver Peters] “But don’t posts like your rant against Adobe (below) undermine this argument?

https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/97154
“

For every hundred posts that are ON topic, I might post ONE (typically on a Sunday) that’s not – AND I try to clearly OT it in the header. PLUS if it wasn’t a topic that I had discussed at length AND as part of other on-topic threads (the Apple sales model verses the Adobe Sales model of VIDEO NLE PROGRAMS) I might agree. But I think those are both mitigating situations that make the post germane.

I don’t think that’s the same thing as coming here and seeing EVERY SINGLE POST about something OTHER than the software billboarded in the forum header.

But it’s interpretive, I suppose.

Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.

[Bill Davis]

[Simon Ubsdell] “Maybe all it would take is for FCP X itself to start being novel and newsworthy again? I’m sure I’m not alone in starting to find it just a little bit stale and in need of refreshment.

It’s up to Apple to give us something new to talk about – manufactured excitement about something that’s not terribly exciting any more is hard to sustain.

Meanwhile over in Blackmagic World and elsewhere quite a lot is happening that is genuinely newsworthy.

Perhaps it’s not altogether surprising that conversation gravitates more towards the new and exciting …”

SO, your argument is that even tho FCP X is currently LESS newsworthy than, say, BlackMagic – the communities of discussion about THEM are so ill-attended, boring and moribund that people have to come to the FCP X forum for lively discussions?

Wow. Talk about damming the competition with astonishingly faint praise.

Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.

[Steve Connor]

[Bill Davis] “I know I find WAY more interesting discussions about FCP X elsewhere on the web. A large chunk of those 2 million folks are active and engaged. Just not here.
“

Could you share some of them, because the FB group and the other forums I’ve found tend to talk problem solving rather than the fascinating stuff that is discussed here in between the bickering

[Bill Davis] “Would YOU stay and post in that situation?
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If I wanted to learn about the broader editing world then yes

[Steve Connor]

[Bill Davis] “I don’t think that’s the same thing as coming here and seeing EVERY SINGLE POST about something OTHER than the software billboarded in the forum header.

But it’s interpretive, I suppose.”

Obviously as EVERY SINGLE POST actually ISN’T about something OTHER than FCPX.

(Shouting’s fun!)

[Andrew Kimery]

[Bill Davis] “But I think those are both mitigating situations that make the post germane. “

So you making an OT post is okay because it tangentially relates to differing business approaches between Apple and Adobe which is a topic that’s been brought up in the past, but Simon making an OT post *isn’t* okay because it relates to differing GUI customization approaches between Adobe and Apple which is also a topic that’s been brought up in the past?

If it’s okay for one person to make the occasional OT post then it has to be okay for everyone else too. Even if that means that 5 different people make 5 different OT posts around the same time which pushes the number of current FCP X threads below your liking.

[Bill Davis] “They use X, they want to LEARN about X. But when they get here – that do they see? A page is dominated by Premiere and Resolve posts.

Would YOU stay and post in that situation?”

I learn more about the strengths and weakness of X here than I do following X users on Twitter, X pages on Facebook, X websites like FCP.co because this is the only forum that I can think of that has such a diverse, knowledgeable group of regulars.

I don’t understand why you keep saying it’s a bad thing that is forum isn’t the same as every other NLE forum out there.

[Greg Janza]

[Erik Lindahl] “I will give Premiere the edge on flexibility regarding its GUI, sadly it’s quite buggy and the flixbility often does render it quite ugly.”

It’s hard to determine how buggy Premiere is due to the fact that many of the issues raised here on the forums tend to be localized problems.

My experience with Premiere has mainly been a matter of adjusting preference settings or learning workarounds for issues that on first glance appear to be program bugs.

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– Orson Welles

[Bill Davis]

[Andrew Kimery] “I don’t understand why you keep saying it’s a bad thing that is forum isn’t the same as every other NLE forum out there.”

But I’m not at all saying that.

I’m saying a Forum designed and marketed (by title) to focus on a particular topic, is weakened by having nothing on that topic showing in all the discussions on its front page.

Particularly in today’s environment – where people clicking in, often have shortened attend spans and the ability to click away if they don’t find something satisfying that causes them to stay – less “on-topic” content won’t build the brand very efficiently.

That’s all.

Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.