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Prem vs FCPX – Panels
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[Tony West] ”
They didn’t stop making FCP.
Just because you can’t bring in a version from 7 doesn’t mean the stop making FCP. “That’s just marketing semantics. The fact that both apps carry the same name is only because Apple wanted to built upon an existing user base. There simply is no commonality between the two versions. Just like Premiere up to 4 is nothing like the versions that followed. Lightworks in its original form and Resolve in its original form are nothing like current versions and are completely different apps. The similarity is in name only, yet their similarity between old and new is way closer than between FCP X and FCP 1-7.
And I have clients who also have projects still in 7. It’s such a PITA that they simply stay in 7 with those projects. Plus making sure those machines can still work with FCP7 without getting broken along the way results in an island or dual-boot situation. I see one side of what you are saying, but having worked with clients who literally pissed away thousands of dollars invested in a Final Cut ecosystem (FC Server, Xserve, Xsan), I’m just not having any of it.
Meanwhile, if I had Premiere Pro CS onward, or Media Composer (nearly any version) I could open the project file in the newest version and keep on trucking.
Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Oliver Peters] “That’s just marketing semantics. “
That’s just your opinion. You don’t get to decide what their product is or what they call it. They do.
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And here I thought we were finally past the childish, polemic “OMG, they killed FCP! The bastards!“-phase.
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[Tim Wilson] “Even more than FCPX, the trashcan was the straw that broke so many’s people Mac-loving backs, and I suspect that not one of those people will ever be back. After building my business a large swath of my career not just on Macs but on very specifically Mac ADVOCACY, I certainly can’t imagine anything that Apple could do to win me back.
Nobody’s locked into nuthin’.
“I’m having a bit of a hard time understanding. So you suspect that ‘not one of these Mac people
will be back’ and you ‘can’t imagine how Apple could win you’ (or presumably them) back?
Yet nobody’s locking into nothing? Sounds like editor’s being ‘locked’ into using a PC to
me ☺In all seriousness, you may say you have never met one, or suspect none of those people who
left Apple, will be back. I’m one of those people. I was not happy to say the least with FCP X.
Man, forget that, I was PISSED! Totally ditched them and went to Premiere CS6. It was like
FCP 8! What was Apple’s problem anyways? Redesigning an NLE…..just idiotic and I couldn’t
stand FCP X. Then Adobe went to the subscription only ‘Creative Cloud’. And to me, that was like
saying:
‘I will see your piece of dog poop Apple, and will raise you by a barn full of manure.’
Done, done and done…..see ya. Funny thing was, when I went back to Apple…..I found
out that they had done a lot to FCP X. It was actually getting pretty good. And since then,
they have done even more. I’m plenty happy with my decision and I know plenty of other
people, like me, who left FCP for Adobe after the FCP X introduction……only to run from
the ‘rental payment’ of Adobe right back to FCP X. Believe it or not, it happened quite a bit.
Maybe not in the high altitude arena of LA film production. But among the thousands of small
video production companies, who are constantly being squeezed by lower client budgets, every
dollar counts. Which is why Resolve will be a force to be reckoned with, once they figure out how to
actually have decent performance, without requiring a GPU that could fly a jumbo jet with it’s fan.Gabe Strong
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[Andrew Kimery] “Except you need a computer from Apple to use it. Preferably a newer Mac (at last going by your praise about how much better your experience is using a newer MBP vs an older tower). Apple, like BM, can afford to give away the software because it’s tied to their hardware. Adobe can’t adopt that model because they don’t sell hardware.
“Well……you don’t really need a newer Mac. I’m using FCP X on a 2009 Mac Pro (yeah, that’s
an 8 year old computer) and I get a Bruce X score of 23…..which hangs fairly well with the newer
computers. Granted, I tossed in a hex core CPU and a 980Ti GPU, but it’ll handle everything up to 4k
without problem. Meanwhile, since 2009 my wife has went through 6 different PC’s. Coincidence?Gabe Strong
G-Force Productions
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[Gabe Strong] ” once they figure out how to
actually have decent performance, without requiring a GPU that could fly a jumbo jet with it’s fan.
“That deserves an LOL 🙂
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[Tony West] “That’s just your opinion. You don’t get to decide what their product is or what they call it. They do.”
No, but you are technically incorrect. These were two different product brand names. Final Cut Pro and Final Cut Pro X. These are individual brand names, not version numbers. They are as distinctly different as Mac Pro and Macbook Pro.
Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Gabe Strong] “Funny thing was, when I went back to Apple…..I found
out that they had done a lot to FCP X. It was actually getting pretty good. And since then,
they have done even more. I’m plenty happy with my decision and I know plenty of other
people, like me, who left FCP for Adobe after the FCP X introduction……only to run from
the ‘rental payment’ of Adobe right back to FCP X. “Yes, absolutely the case! This is EXACTLY what I was talking about when I said that nobody is locked into anything. Believe me, there’s no place where this movement is documented more thoroughly than here at Creative COW!
The people I was referring to Apple never getting back are the people who left the Mac platform for Windows. Although you’re right, I probably rhetorically overreached there (WHO? MEEEEEEEEE?????). ????
But I certainly don’t feel locked out of buying a Mac. I just can’t imagine a scenario where Apple would release something compelling to me anymore. If they do, I’ll buy it. My prediction is that it won’t happen, but that’d be one of the few predictions I’ve made in this forum that came to pass, so we’ll see. ????????????
There are plenty of other folks like me re: leaving MAC, and THOSE folks are ones I’ve not seen come back yet…but again, who knows? Maybe the next Mac Pros will be shaped like BB-8 and follow you around the office and make adorable noises. Who wouldn’t want that? ????
But yeah, commitment to software is soft. People switch allllll the time, which is why I think talking about locking people into anything is an overreach at best, too.
It’s also worth underscoring again that a lot fewer people use just one than used to be the case. It’s not at all uncommon for folks to use more than one, ON PURPOSE, because truth be told, they’re all pretty good at something, if not most things, at this point. Manufacturers get this, which is why all the ones who aren’t Apple are actively talking about how well their stuff works with everything else.
[Gabe Strong] “Which is why Resolve will be a force to be reckoned with, once they figure out how to
actually have decent performance, without requiring a GPU that could fly a jumbo jet with it’s fan.
“I don’t have any comments on the performance or requirements, but among the predictions I’ve gotten wrong is that Resolve would be an NLE player. I think Resolve definitely IS a player, for a lot more reasons than price. As I’ve noted many times, I’m a long time gone from actual NLE’ing myself, but the new Resolve Mini control surface would be a slam-dunk for me. The easy integration of truly robust color grading with editing was always my holy grail, and I think Blackmagic is going to gain a BUNCH of new customers with an affordable control surface that really lights that up.
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[Tim Wilson] “The people I was referring to Apple never getting back are the people who left the Mac platform for Windows. Although you’re right, I probably rhetorically overreached there (WHO? MEEEEEEEEE?????). ????
But I certainly don’t feel locked out of buying a Mac. I just can’t imagine a scenario where Apple would release something compelling to me anymore. If they do, I’ll buy it. My prediction is that it won’t happen, but that’d be one of the few predictions I’ve made in this forum that came to pass, so we’ll see. ????????????
There are plenty of other folks like me re: leaving MAC, and THOSE folks are ones I’ve not seen come back yet…but again, who knows? “
Well, I didn’t entirely leave the Mac platform…..I kept my 2009 Mac Pro around because……
well because it was paid for, it would still run FCP 7……and because it was paid for. No
subscription or anything on it ☺ But I DID move over to the PC for editing mostly.
If I was going to use CS6 anyways and all…..why not go to a platform that moved
much faster with it? Same arguments many here are still giving for moving over to PC…..
if they are going to use Adobe anyways, may as well switch platforms to the one that runs
Adobe software faster. Once you are in the program (Premiere/AE/Photoshop) it all looks the
same anyways. During this time, I also served as a consultant to 2 different corporations, sourcing
them PC’s (from Safe Harbor) with high powered CUDA cards and the works, then buying each
component and putting them together. I would then help them buy all associated other gear (audio mixer,
monitors, capture cards, and even cameras) and hooking up all the other gear for them to have an ‘in house’
edit bay and production studio. Spending other people’s money….great fun!! But as you can see, I wasn’t
really ‘staying with Mac’. I kept my old Mac around and would work on old client projects that were on
FCP 7, but if it wasn’t an old FCP 7 project, I was on a PC with CS6. Now as I said in another post, my wife has
gone through 6 PC’s since 2009. So I didn’t have some huge investment in hardware, which may have been the
difference…..easier for me to move back to Mac. But I am EXACTLY ‘that guy’ that you refer to….having
mostly moved from the Mac platform to PC. And I moved back…….because I hate subscriptions. My choices
once Adobe went CC were to either learn another NLE or pay subscriptions. I wasn’t going to do the latter,
so I was going to have to learn another NLE no matter which platform I was staying with, Mac or PC.
My wife’s PC was down yet again (PC #4 I think) and she was shopping for a new one. I still had my 2009 Mac Pro
which was working great. Looking at their respective reliabilities, I chose to go back to Mac and learn FCP X
instead of trying to stay on PC and learn Vegas, or Avid, or Edius, or ? Maybe FCP X has my wife’s ability to
pick out crappily built PC’s to thank for my conversion? Well, that and Adobe’s ‘subscription only’ business
model.Gabe Strong
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[Gabe Strong] “I kept my 2009 Mac Pro around because……
well because it was paid for, it would still run FCP 7……and because it was paid for. No
subscription or anything on it ☺ But I DID move over to the PC for editing mostly.”Yeah, but that’s fundamentally different than saying, “You know what, it’s clear to me after the last several generations of hardware that Apple’s priorities and my priorities are irreconcilable. I no longer find Macs to be delivering the performance, scalability, or compatibility I require.”
You never said that. You said FCPX sux, oh wait now Adobe sux worse, oh wait, FCPX is pretty good now. LOL Sorry, not meaning to diminish your pain, just playing — but that’s about it, right? Apple’s development or non-development of Macs wasn’t the prime mover in any of your decisions. Your story has played out EXACTLY the same way for people who simply also used Macs when they were checking out Avid, Resolve, Smoke, and whatever else they were checking out.
I still stand by my contention that once people CHOOSE to leave MAC because of Apple painting a clear picture of a likely future of increasing divergence of priorities, they’re less likely to come back.
But I certainly appreciate you adding more and more dimensions to my fundamental argument that anybody using the phrase “locked in” is rhetorically overreaching. NOBODY Is locked in, and even the concept of “locked out” is grossly overstated compared to the reality that most people actually live in. Makes for dandy rhetoric, though, that’s for sure.
Rhetoric of course being the second-most frequent output from cows ???? with number one being, ironically, number two. ???? (I will be sure to restate my request for the poop emoji to the forum management!)
And kidding aside, I want to be clear that I’m acknowledging the truth of everything you’re saying, Gabe. I’m 100% with you on this.
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