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Post Workflow for film in a PAL country
Hi guys,
I have a few questions about post workflows in FCP in PAL for a DI finish back to film.
Here is what I got:
Shoot film @ 24 fps, transferred to DVCAM PAL 25 fps (sped up 4.166%) MOS, so one frame of film correspond to one frame of video. Import Flex file to Cinema tools & export Batch Capture list. In FCP digitize video with DSR-11 through firewire, conformed to 24 fps in Cinema Tools, in FCP digitize audio from DATs 25 fps timecode, edit in FCP 23.98 48 KHz DV PAL (use a second monitor in Digital Cinema Preview mode), then export a Cut List, transfer from original camera negative to 2k dpx files (hopefully by that time the Blackmagic 2k Multibridge is out). Then export tiffs sequences to go back to film from FCP timeline. Export OMF to ProTools.Now here are the questions:
1)_ Am I missing something? am I doing something wrong?
2)_ Should I conform in Cinema Tools to 23.98 PAL, or should I conform to 24 PAL?
3)_ If the above answer is 23.98 then, since PAL doesn
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1)_ Am I missing something? am I doing something wrong?
Your workflow is based on FCP 4 feature set. FCP 4.5 and FCP 5 added a couple of film/PAL-specific things.
2)_ Should I conform in Cinema Tools to 23.98 PAL, or should I conform to 24 PAL?
You should conform to 24 fps via Tools menu in FCP, not in Cinema Tools. That will take care of the 25 fps TC so you can recapture in case the storage breaks or output 25 fps EDL if needed.
3)_ If the above answer is 23.98 then, since PAL doesn
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Thanks so much Mishka! I have some additional questions for you:
>1)_ Am I missing something? am I doing something wrong?
>Your workflow is based on FCP 4 feature set. FCP 4.5 and FCP 5 added a couple of film/PAL-
>specific things.What specific features are you referring to? How should I correct my workflow?
>6)_ Should I digitize the DATs on a ProTools (since I can), and then import to FCP the AIFF to
>sync them up? Then when I export the OMF back to the ProTools we don -
[Sebastian Leda] “What specific features are you referring to? How should I correct my workflow? “
Conforming 25 fps to 24 within FCP, not in Cinema Tools. Correct 24 fps preview on 50 Hz monitor. BWF support. The first is the most important because it will allow you to recapture in case you storage fails and export 25 fps EDL if you decide to finish elsewhere. SD2 is not the native ProTools format since version 5.something. All computer LCD monitors are 60 Hz but if FCP full screen preview suits you – use it. 12+1 benefits those who already have their edit bay rigged and wired.
[Sebastian Leda] “I might be getting the story wrong, but it seems like the new Multibridge and an Apple 30
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[mishka] “SD2 is not the native ProTools format since version 5.something. All computer LCD monitors are 60 Hz.”
I think only PC guys are using BWF, Mac people are still using SD2 as far as I know (but that’s not too far…).
I don’t think that ALL LCDs are 60 Hz. Check the specs at the end of this page https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824006067
Am I reading something wrong? It seems like it can do horizontal refresh of 48 Hz to me.
[mishka] “Getting 2k preview out of FCP is one story. Working with 2k dpx in FCP is another. FCP drops to 8 bit per channel when video is RGB. Even if that was not the case FCP tools like 3-way CC are too coarse for anything beyond broadcast video.”
I’m guessing that FCP would be able to handle 10 bit RGB by the time the Multibridge comes out, otherwise there is no point in Blackmagic offering that, right?
3-way CC might not be the best for 2k, but it’s a cheap alternative (as long as it works in RGB 10 bit).
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I have a question about 35mm to PAL:
I have with me 35mm (24fps) materials telecined to DVCAM (25fps). The irony is, it was transferred at 24 frames per second speed (wasn’t my doings!), although advisably it should be transferred at 25fps to DVCAM.
In FCP’s timeline, I’ve captured (via DV-PAL settings) and sync-up the audio that was recorded on a DAT at 24fps. Somehow, it maintains sync, even checking it way after a 3 minutes duration clip! No problems.
For your info, I did not do a “conform 25fps to 24fps” in this edit.
All cinematools database are in sync with the burn-in keycode info, frame-to-frame.
1) What kind of problems will I face when conforming back to 35mm?
2) I’ve tried to create a cutlist and notice about +-1 frame difference in some cuts. Was this one of the issue I will face?
3) If I do a “conform 25fps to 24fps” in FCP, the cinematools database WILL NOT maintain it’s “frame-to-frame” relationship with the burn-in timecode. True?
4) Audio Pros haunts me with “FCP can’t get this to sync when goes back to film”. Can I prove them wrong?Any advise from the Film to PAL pros is needed. Thanks.
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[Zalee Kino-i] ” I’ve tried to create a cutlist and notice about +-1 frame difference in some cuts. Was this one of the issue I will face?”
This is the issue you will face. Everything else should be fine.
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