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please explain the new business model to me
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[John Rofrano] “I would gladly subscribe to just what I need when I need it. That’s what the Cloud Service model is all about. A utility model much like gas and electric where you pay as you go. That is NOT Adobe’s model. Adobe’s model is like the cable company where you bundle things that people don’t want”
Actually, Adobe offers exactly this as an option. You can subscribe to a single app for $30/mo with no commitment, or $20/mo with an annual commitment.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
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More than one application, however, and it quickly becomes more economically logical to take the whole, for most, unnecessary ball of wax at the full boat price. Most need more than one app.
And for the I don’t know how many times, it quits working when you quit paying. As far as the cable analogy (simile?) I don’t need to see a particular football game or a TV series 3 years from now, most likely never. My work I revisit often and don’t want to have to pay for it every time I do. Cable is not a good comparison.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems -
More than one application, however, and it quickly becomes more economically logical to take the whole, for most, unnecessary ball of wax at the full boat price. Most need more than one app.
And for the I don’t know how many times, it quits working when you quit paying. As far as the cable analogy (simile?) I don’t need to see a particular sporting event or a TV series 3 years from now, most likely never. My work I revisit often and don’t want to have to pay for it every time I do. Cable is not a good comparison.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems -
[Jim Wiseman] “My work I revisit often and don’t want to have to pay for it every time I do”
I completely support what you are saying, but let me compare this to photography. If I shoot a bunch of stills, process them in Lightroom and export adjusted versions, then aren’t the only items that are really important to me the originals and the exported variations? If Lightroom went away in the future and I want to make new variations, wouldn’t I simply use another photo processing app, load the originals and create new variations?
I guess I don’t see the importance or sanctity everyone is placing on what amounts to middleware in the process. To me – rental or not – is merely a business decision that works for some but not others. I just don’t see how it impedes the process.
Just wondering.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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Oliver, the problem with the photo processing analogy is that there is a lot more work involved in say, an AE motion graphics piece, than there is typically is in processing a photo. And, while there are any number of applications that do what photoshop does, and even support photoshop files, there’s no other program that cam load an AE project.
Usne any of Adobes video applications and you’re locked in to paying the subscription for the life of the project and beyond.
Jeff Kirkland | Video Producer | Southern Creative Media | Melbourne Australia
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[Jeff Kirkland] “there’s no other program that cam load an AE project”
I understand that. I’m just not following the argument that you constantly go back into AE to keep tweaking on a project. Render out the work and you are done.
[Jeff Kirkland] “Use any of Adobes video applications and you’re locked in to paying the subscription for the life of the project and beyond.”
I’m not disputing that, but it’s a business decision. In many cases, obviously a philosophical one, but that’s a small percentage of folks. Once the project is done, you aren’t locked in. Only if you need to revisit the edit or the composite. And the edit side is pretty minor, depending on how you’ve organized things.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Walter Soyka] “You can subscribe to a single app for $30/mo with no commitment, or $20/mo with an annual commitment.”
I could not find that anywhere on their site back when I needed it (last year) and I looked as hard as I could. I wanted to subscribe to InDesign just for the 4 months that my son needed it for school and I couldn’t find any way to do that. I wound up finding an older copy on Amazon and bought that outright instead. It was just to get his homework done without having to drive to the campus.
They must have changed that recently because I see it now on the Select A Plan page but prior to that you could only subscribe to Photoshop separately or the whole suite for $49. I’m glad their plans are becoming more flexible.
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[John Rofrano] “They must have changed that recently because I see it now on the Select A Plan page but prior to that you could only subscribe to Photoshop separately or the whole suite for $49”
Nope. It’s been that way since the addition of subscription. Single app options were there, it just didn’t make financial sense for more than one app.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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I think Adobe has had single-app subscription continuously since CS6 (before the CC relaunch) — but you are absolutely right they made it ridiculously hard to find! I think they’ve recently redesigned the plans page, so it’s a lot friendlier now.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Oliver Peters] “Render out the work and you are done.
“never. You have taken a set of decisions that might go to full javascript and any number of other things that exist between the entry and exit point. It’s not a chemical emulsion. Ok maybe it’s not a cable package analogy but we all know we do everything inside a software architecture that sits at the mid-point. That is now, with adobe, a rental space. To call it problematic is an understatement. We are renting the room we walk into where we can perform singular creative actions that validate people paying us.
Adobe have decided they own that room. And we owe them rent for the use of the room. To call it problematic beggars the actual use of the word problematic.
the fact that adobe decided they could make that social decision for millions of creatives is deeply problematic.
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