Please advise me on workflow

[John Rofrano]

Question 1: To turn these 10 ‘sub-projects’ into a the single movie file should my first step be to render each of the 10 sections and then make a new project importing these as its media, OR, should I start a new project and import the 10 vegas project files?

Start a new project and drop the 10 project files into it as nested projects. This will maintain the highest quality.

Question 2: Do the above options result in exactly the same output. Same file size, same quality, etc etc?

Yes, if you use a lossless or near-lossless codec.

Question 3: Unfortunately (maybe) I started filming before Canon released the camera’s new firmware so I’m stuck with all my media being 30fps), rather than 29.97 or 24 and so on. So, using DVD architect, what settings will give me the best possible output quality? I’m a bit mystified that the output setting for creating a blu ray are so limited for 1080p stuff.

I would keep all of the projects 30p (Match Media Settings). Then make the master project 29.97. Finally, right-click on each of the 10 events that the nested projects make and select Disable Resample. This will ensure that Vegas does not blend any frames and just uses the 30p in a 29.97 cadence.

~jr

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[Fred Robinson]

Thanks John, very helpful response.

So – when I get to the point of making the final Blu-Ray on DVD Architect Pro 5, there is no 30p, or even 29.97p option. So – what is the best approach once I move into that package? So far I’ve used the 1080i / 60fps option and it seems to lose a bit of colour quality – plus any fast pans (there are only a couple) get messy. Maybe this latter issue is resolved by your ‘disable resampling’ tip. Although I think you were still talking about Vegas when you said that.

Happy to keep trialing and erroring! But blu-rays ain’t that cheap to keep binning! 🙂

If I can learn from someone elses mistakes I’ll be very grateful.

Thanks again John.

Fred

[John Rofrano]

So – when I get to the point of making the final Blu-Ray on DVD Architect Pro 5, there is no 30p, or even 29.97p option. So – what is the best approach once I move into that package?

Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I would keep the nested projects in Vegas 30p to match the source media. I would render to 29.97 from Vegas and take that into DVD Architect.

Happy to keep trialing and erroring! But blu-rays ain’t that cheap to keep binning! 🙂

You do have a box or BD-RE’s don’t you? Rewritables are the way to go until you are happy with the output.

~jr

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[Fred Robinson]

Gotchya. Thanks again.

Good point re the ‘RE’. Will have to get one or two. Silly me!

Fred

[Fred Robinson]

Hmmm, I am having major problems trying to import veg files (as nested) into a new ‘master’ project. Even though the project settings are all identical throughout the sub-projects and the master.

I’ve tried importing the veg files one at a time. The first couple work fine, in that a SFAP0 (proxy) file gets rendered, but then the third one appears in the media pane as transparent. If I put it into the timeline as an event, it is transparent throughout. Something very odd is going on there and I’ve no idea what it is.

When I tried importing all (ten) in one go instead of one-at-a-time, the cursor went to ‘busy’ for about a minute then back to the arrow. But nothing can be done in Vegas now. Clicking anywhere has zero effect. The PC isn’t locked though as I can still open other apps if I want to. The task manager shows that the FileIOSurrogate.exe is running with about 2.5Gig of memory (of my 8gig), and it shows Vegas itself as ‘running’. Overall RAM use is about 4Gig.

So – I can think of only two solutions…

1. Try nesting only two at a time to end up with 5 projects, then again, then again, then again ’til I end up with just the one (like a pyramid with the master project at the top). But I canl;t see why this should be necessary. And even if it worked, I don;t think I’d trust it, so to speak.

or

2. Go back to rendering each of the sub-projects and make a master project from those. Now, in the context of my original post, you said to use a lossless codec for this. Which one would you suggest for my 1080/30p stuff?

Better still, maybe you have a solution to the nesting phenomena I’ve described?

Thanks again.

Fred

[John Rofrano]

I’ve tried importing the veg files one at a time. The first couple work fine, in that a SFAP0 (proxy) file gets rendered, but then the third one appears in the media pane as transparent. If I put it into the timeline as an event, it is transparent throughout. Something very odd is going on there and I’ve no idea what it is.

Have you tried loading just the 3rd project alone in a new timeline. You do have to give Vegas time to build the SFAP0 proxy files. I’m not sure why that one would be transparent. Check the project properties of that one project against the others to see what might be different.

Now, in the context of my original post, you said to use a lossless codec for this. Which one would you suggest for my 1080/30p stuff?

I would render to Cineform but it’s not free ($99USD). You could use Lararith or Huffyuv. Both are free. Just download and install and then make an AVI template for them.

~jr

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[Fred Robinson]

Ooops, look like it’s $129 now (cineform neoscene)! I will certainly get a copy though. Thanks again for this tip.

I’ll get back to you shortly regarding the test you want me to do.

I can guarantee that all the project settings are identical though!

Cheers,

Fred

[Fred Robinson]

I tried loading just the third veg and it worked fine. Weird!

Anyway – I now have the neoscene thing. How do I get vegas to ‘see’ it?

Can I go into each of my 10 sub-projects and ‘render as’ to the cineform format thereby ending up with ten cineform avi files?

OR

Do I have to go into my original media, create a cineform avi for each and then go into each of my ten sub-projects and use the ‘replace media’ command to replace the original files with the new, cineform ones?

Cheers,

Fred

[John Rofrano]

Can I go into each of my 10 sub-projects and ‘render as’ to the cineform format thereby ending up with ten cineform avi files?

Yes, that’s what I would do if you can’t get the subprojects to work. then use those 10 Cineform AVI’s in your final project.

~jr

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[John Rofrano]

Ooops, look like it’s $129 now (cineform neoscene)! I will certainly get a copy though. Thanks again for this tip.

Actually, you can get NeoScene for only $99 USD from our Creative Cow sponsor VideoGuys.com. Don’t forget to use your COW5OFF coupon for a 5% discount. 😉

~jr

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