Out of Sync flags when adding transition

[Steve Rhoden]

Im not seeing where you a add the transition….How do you add
transitions to your clips?
Are you overlapping the clips and adding the transition over the
overlapped area?
And also turning off ignore event grouping would also help.

Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Maker
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

[Dale Mcclelland]

This Vegas behavior is annoying to me. With two events next to each other in the time line (no gap, no overlap) dragging a transition to the point that they join always results in the out of sync warning. In fact, it shows the out of sync amount as being the full duration of the 2nd event. But there is no sync problem; Vegas just seems to think there is. This happens in 10d and 10e, as well as Movie Studio 10 HD Platinum.

This also happens when I use VASST’s InfinitiCam for multi-cam editing. If I choose a camera at a point that is right at the beginning of an event, and use the InfinitiCam’s dissolve, rather than cut, Vegas flags it as out of sync at the point of the camera change. The only way to avoid it is to not make the camera selection until it is at least X frames into the event, where X is the length of the desired dissolve (as set in InfinitiCam’s settings) This isn’t a problem with InfinitiCam, it is a problem with Vegas.

I consider it a bug, but maybe SCS has a valid reason why Vegas flags it as out of sync (even though it isn’t).

Two work-arounds:

1. Disregard the warning
2. Before adding the transition, drag the second event to the left so it overlaps the first event by the length of time that you want to transition to be (or use a script to do this). Then add the transition.

[Dale Mcclelland]

P.S. I should have added, (since you are “trying” Vegas): I hope you don’t let this small oddity discourage you. Vegas is a fine piece of software and has very few of these types of quirks.

[Dale Mcclelland]

As I looked back at this thread, as of this moment, the forum put my second reply (about not being discouraged, out of sequence so it shows up before my main reply. Maybe that will be fixed by the time you read this, but if not, I didn’t want it to be confusing because my 2 replies are showing up in the wrong sequence.

[Steve Rhoden]

There is no bug where that is concerned Dale….You are going about certain things wrong there.

Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Maker
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

[Dale Mcclelland]

Steve, can you elaborate on why I am going “about certain things wrong”? Since I am a relative novice, that wouldn’t surprise me, but I’d like to understand it.

I may be trying to add transitions in a way that was not intended by SCS, and isn’t how experienced Vegas users do it, but Vegas flags something as out of sync, and says it is out of sync by the full duration of the second clip, when it is actually in-sync. That sure seems like a bug to me, and I spent 34 years in software development so I have some experience with bugs (I created quite a few myself over the years).

This issue especially causes a lot of extra work when using InfinitCam. When I want to make a camera change, with dissolve, I have to use “Alt-right-arrow-key” to count into an event a certain number of frames before making the change (equal to the dissolve length set in InfinitiCam). If I make the change sooner than that, the out of Vegas sync flag occurs.

I hope I am not hijacking the thread — your answer may be of interest to the OP as well since he is experiencing the out of sync thing too. If there is a way around this, without doing extra work (like overlapping the events first), I’d be happy to know about it. It sure would save time.

Also, I hope this reply gets sequenced in the right place in the thread. My last two replies were placed out of sequence (at least when I view the thread in Firefox). I’ve never had that happen before at this forum.

Thanks.

[Nigel O’neill]

Dale

I have used InfinitiCam as well as UltimateS for several years with Vegas Pro 9 and 10 and cannot say that I have experienced this particular issue, either with cuts or fades. I typically edit 1 multicam/multi-track project a week and have never come across this (not to say that the problem does not exist).

I don’t use the syncing tools/markers that come with either and therefore manually sync all tracks (typically 4 video and 1 audio) and am extremely careful with ripple editing being switched off once I have done my 1st alignment and clean up of unwanted footage. After that it is just cuts, fades, colour correction, effects, transitions and titles.

John Rofrano is a developer with Vasst who regularly contributes to this forum. Perhaps you need to get his attention on this forum.

My system specs: Intel i7 970, 12GB RAM, ASUS P6T, Vegas Pro 10 (x32/x64), Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, Vegas Production Assistant 1.0, VASST Ultimate S Pro 4.1, Neat Video Pro 2.6

[Dale Mcclelland]

Thanks Nigel. I’m not sure why I am experiencing the problem and you aren’t. It must be something I am doing wrong.

I’ll end with this post because I’ve taken this thread off topic. The OP asked about transitions, not InfinitiCam (although they have the out-of-sync symptom in common.) I’ll either start a new thread re: InfinitiCam, or contact VASST support. When I have contacted VASST in the past, John Rofrano was the one who responded (and quickly I might add). I’m just reluctant to submit this to VASST support because it isn’t an InfinitiCam problem. It is either a Vegas problem or a problem with my understanding of proper technique.

Dale

[Steve Rhoden]

…..If there is a way around this, without doing extra work (like overlapping the events first), I’d be happy to know about it. It sure would save time……

What extra work are you speaking of Dale? Overlapping the events and
then dropping your transition on that overlapped region is the
correct way to apply Transitions on your timeline in Vegas.

Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Maker
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

[Dale Mcclelland]

[Steve Rhoden] “What extra work are you speaking of Dale? Overlapping the events and
then dropping your transition on that overlapped region is the
correct way to apply Transitions on your timeline in Vegas.”

Thanks, Steve. The NLE I used previous to Vegas didn’t require the overlap when applying transitions, so I assumed Vegas wouldn’t either. Bad assumption.