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  • Otherwise enjoying “hidden gems” within the app

    Posted by Brad Jordan on June 23, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Even though people are rightfully angry with the omission of so many pro features. I’m hopeful those features will return quickly (as in weeks as opposed to months). In the meantime, I really am surprisingly enjoying getting into the guts of this thing. If you really start digging into it, I believe you’ll find some things that will make workflows more efficient down the road after the learning curve. I’m not saying I’m finding this “bug free” or without glaring limitations. But, actually “playing” with the app is giving me a better appreciation what Apple has done and looks like they are going to do going forward. I am NOT saying it is acceptable in its current form.

    When I first opened this thing, I was taken aback and disappointed. It actually requires one to start using it to understand it is more than iMovie Pro. I am not trying to defend Apple, but I am starting to feel a bit better about what is to come (at least it better) in getting back our pro features. I still have FCP 7 and will be going back and forth based on my needs.

    I’ve been going through Steve Martin’s FCP-X tutorials from Ripple Training and I’m finding that this new “paradigm” while a pain in the a** right now to learn is going to make some of the tedious editing tasks less of a pain.

    Just my thoughts. No need to flame with rants that have already been made. I’ve sent my complaints/suggestions to Apple via the way I believe they’ll listen and now I’d like to be able to come to The Cow and start learning from everyone as they dig into this strange new app.

    Matt Callac replied 12 years, 11 months ago 11 Members · 23 Replies
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  • Michael Hancock

    June 23, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    [Brad Jordan] “I’m finding that this new “paradigm” while a pain in the a** right now to learn is going to make some of the tedious editing tasks less of a pain.”

    Genuine question – what tedious tasks is it making easier? I haven’t used the software and may not ever, but I’d be interested to hear what they’re doing to improve editing.

    —————-
    Michael Hancock
    Editor

  • Jonathan Dortch

    June 23, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    [Michael Hancock] “Genuine question – what tedious tasks is it making easier? I haven’t used the software and may not ever, but I’d be interested to hear what they’re doing to improve editing.”

    Using the Metadata for logging, labeling, organizing, searching, media. It’s like having a little robot for an assistant.

    I keep my stock music library in iTunes, so having iTunes access via the program with instant drag/drop into the timeline instead of bouncing to iTunes, finding the track, making sure it’s converted to AIFF, importing to FCP and then dropping it in… takes about 2 seconds now instead of 2 minutes.

    Might start doing the same thing for Aperture or iPhoto for any photos used an edit.

    The structure of the Event system keeping track of an copying all files used in an edit greatly facilitates wrapping out/transferring projects. No more manually making sure all of your elements are sourced to the client drive.

    Very intuitive integration with Motion for the first time to create FCP effects/transitions/text.

    JONATHAN DORTCH
    BLACK WOLF CREATIVE

  • Brad Jordan

    June 23, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Depends on your personal workflow. Others are repulsed by the Magnetic Timeline and the storyline, clip linking and the overall change. I actually am finding it speeding up my editing. It certainly would help if Apple would provide a 30 day trial version as they did with iWork so people wouldn’t have to plunk $299 down without knowing if they’d like the new workflow and changes.

    What’s tedious for me may not be for you. I didn’t come from the “Pro” background when I started with FCP 1.0. I’m one of the lowly scum (at least that’s it sounds from the dismissive comments of some other Cow members) that doesn’t work in Broadcast or high end. Was glad to see some user tips and actual usage questions start popping up on the forum as opposed to the repetitive rants. The Cow has been a great place for me to learn and profit from the video trade. Just because I’m part time & have my studio in my house doesn’t mean I’m any less “Pro”. Was disheartening to see my opinions and comments discounted because of this. (Rant not directed at you, Michael – Just needed to rant).

  • Brad Jordan

    June 23, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    What Jonathan said. 🙂

  • Paul Figgiani

    June 23, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    I have to agree with Brad on this. I think everyone is jumping the gun. OTOH, I totally understand the frustrations. What I find confusing is why would one not assume that apple has full intention of adding all documented missing features that Pro’s need?? And this stuff about not “understanding” the lack of support to open legacy projects – it’s not that difficult: FCP 7 is build on an entirely different foundation using antiquated Frameworks. That being said, I do believe apple needs to come up with something with regards to legacy project support. I think they will.

    I just installed a new video card in a 2006 1,1 MacPro. FCPX is extremely snappy and responsive. Night and Day compared to FCP 7. It’s going to interesting to see what happens and what is said when most, if not all of the “missing” features are added. eventually.

    -paul.

  • Jamie Franklin

    June 23, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    [Brad Jordan] ” Just because I’m part time & have my studio in my house doesn’t mean I’m any less “Pro”. Was disheartening to see my opinions and comments discounted because of this.”

    Sorry I have to chime in on this…Who would discount this? And why?

    Question. As a small studio, can you say you can use this program to deliver broadcast quality material?

  • Jonathan Dortch

    June 23, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    [Jamie Franklin] “Question. As a small studio, can you say you can use this program to deliver broadcast quality material?”

    If you’re delivering a program stream to FTP then yeah probably. We’ve delivered all broadcast spots that way for the last three years through DG Fastchannel.

    But yes FCPX is still an editing program. You can hit a runtime, edit in Prores at 1920, do a mix and apply your broadcast safe filters. Encode your program stream in Compressor and you’ll be out the door.

    If you need to output to tape, then you’ll need to stick to FCP7.

    JONATHAN DORTCH
    BLACK WOLF CREATIVE

  • Brad Jordan

    June 23, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    If you look through the comments and rants on this forum, the overwhelming tone is that FCP-X is just fine for the non-Pro. Simply providing Broadcast material isn’t the only “Pro” profession. I get paid for my services (and paid well) providing physical media (DVD and Blu-Ray) and digital media via Web for events, weddings and corporate work. I don’t plan or need to be working in Broadcast.

    It was just an observation as I “lurked” reading the comments made by people. Anyone that made a positive comment about the app is labeled an Apple apologist or someone that just tinkers with video toys to make home movies or skateboard videos (which, by the way are a very profitable business).

    The Cow community has been a great place to come learn, but now I feel there is kind of a elite class that looks down on non-Broadcast editors or hold them in lower esteem. Doesn’t mean I won’t continue to come to learn. Just my opinion that the welcoming nature of the board seems tarnished.

  • Jamie Franklin

    June 23, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    [Jonathan Dortch] “But yes FCPX is still an editing program. You can hit a runtime, edit in Prores at 1920, do a mix and apply your broadcast safe filters. Encode your program stream in Compressor and you’ll be out the door.”

    And how do you reference with confidence? You can’t grade it, so what do you do?

    How do you deliver audio? Can you deliver separate dialogue and M&E track?

    these are legit questions by the way…

  • Jamie Franklin

    June 23, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Oh come on…

    Apple had a 54% market share in *broadcast*…they were dominating…and imovie and idvd could handle the requirements of those not requiring broadcast standards…effin sake I’ve used it for those things too…but that’s not denigrating your business model, it’s denigrating Apple for spitting in the eye of that 54%…there is nothing wrong with imovie pro…just don’t try and sell it under the final cut pro name….i’m glad you have a robust tool at an affordable price, although even that’s arguable to me now…this should have cost $100, no more… 😀

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