OT: Time to say goodbye?

[Steve Connor]

[Andrew Kimery] “With regards to getting “separated from your ability to use or adapt the Intellectual Property you’ve created and should therefore own.” What about when you rent post/production gear? Or when a client hires (aka ‘rents’) you for a job? After the agreed upon term/duration is up what happens? Do you get to access to the rental gear indefinitely free of charge because losing access to the gear means losing access to your IP? Does the client get access to you indefinitely free of charge since losing access to you means losing access to their IP?”

The IP argument is simply a stick for people to beat the subscription model with in the same way the magnetic timeline is used as a stick to beat FCPX by the haters.

It’s all bull plop 🙂

[Oliver Peters]

[Andrew Kimery] “With regards to getting “separated from your ability to use or adapt the Intellectual Property you’ve created and should therefore own.” What about when you rent post/production gear? Or when a client hires (aka ‘rents’) you for a job? After the agreed upon term/duration is up what happens?”

I think that’s really the crux of the comparison – rent versus own. Under Adobe CC you do not lose access to your IP when you stop paying. You do lose the ability to revise your IP until you pay again.

Let’s look at “fab labs” for a similar comparison. You create an object using a 3D printer. You rent time on the printer at a “fab lab” facility to create the physical object. A month later, you want to revise your design, so you need to rent time again at the “fab lab” to print the new version.

In production, this is no different than buying a camera versus renting a camera. Ultimately either model works for some, but not others. Depending on your own income model, subscription may or may not pose any issues. Most of my clients have been perfectly happy with the approach Adobe has followed and in some cases, they also own X, Motion, and Resolve. So it’s not an either-or situation.

– Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com

[Andrew Kimery]

[Oliver Peters] “I think that’s really the crux of the comparison – rent versus own. “

Agreed. I’m just flummoxed as to why some hammer Adobe for its rental model even though renting is done by various entities and it’s as old as the industry itself. Hell, even as a freelancer/IC I make my living ‘renting’ my services out to others. I have repeat business and I get paid every time. If someone said, “I thought after I paid you the first time I’d never have to pay you again.” I’m not quite sure how I’d respond to that…

[Jeremy Garchow]

[David Mathis] “For the last several weekd the “other” debate forum has grown silent. There have been no sightings of angry village people with torches and pitchforks. Even the intoxicated laced rants and diatribes have gone absent. In fact it is so quiet even the crickets have moved on.”

I think the bigger issue is that it’s impossible to say goodbye to Adobe. In other threads, I have mentioned that I have been on Pr for a job that requires it. The funny thing is, all the connections between the other CC apps didn’t work well for me. It’s a very clunky workflow, and there isn’t as much useful harmony as one would think from a suite of applications billed together as the Creative Cloud.

I just received graded media back today and Pr simply could not relink it, I had to match back shot by shot. This is process I could have done in minutes with third party interchange in FCPX and would have saved a few hours, which today, on delivery day when my master gets encoded to DPX and sent off to hit a 4PM airplane, would have made a big difference in stress and quality of life. I’m sorry to keep espousing platitudes, but in my experience with Pr in the last few months, the platitudes are truth. To continue,

I can’t say goodbye because it’s impossible to work without Adobe in some fashion, especially on a job that is this big, with this many artists in this many disciplines that are spread out, literally, from coast to coast. I would handily take this job again, but hopefully I would be able to suggest better and more consistent workflows throughout the pipeline that didn’t rely on an Adobe products finish. We (the royal ‘we’ of professional content creators) aren’t saying goodbye to Photoshop, After Effects, or InDesign any time soon, and it’s why Adobe can stick to the model. Everyone that I work with that is using Adobe video products, and Pr in particular, remarks on how buggy and hard to use it is, and it’s not that they don’t know how to use these products. It’s quite the opposite.