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OT – is the “new” Mac Pro a failure
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[Tom Sefton] “Why will they become obsolete Bob?”
I wouldn’t call them obsolete because, as you pointed out, they would continue to work but they are definitely limiting your options that normally would not be limited if the new Mac Pro was expandable like the old Mac Pro. I’ve been thinking more about what Herb said in regard to not having PCIe slots internally and this is one of those cases.
For example… my 2010 Mac Pro comes with USB 2.0 but because it had PCIe slots, I was able to purchase a 4 port USB 3.0 card and now my 2010 Mac Pro has USB 3.0. I didn’t have to throw it away to get it.
Another example is SATA III. My 2010 Mac Pro only has SATA II so I purchased a SATA III card and installed it into a PCIe slot and now my 2010 Mac Pro has SATA III and eSATA. I didn’t have to throw the whole thing away to get it.
You can’t do either of these with the new Mac Pro.
So when the next Mac Pro has Thunderbolt 3, instead of buying a Thunderbolt 3 card and installing it into a PCIe slot, you’ll have to sell your Mac Pro and buy the next Mac Pro to get it. That is why they will become obsolete a lot faster. This was the main factor in my upgrading my 2008 Mac Pro to a 2010 Mac Pro. I was able to get USB 3.0 and SATA III and upgrade the GPU to a Radeon HD 7950 for a lot less than a new Mac Pro and there was really no downside.
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I think they need a drug testing policy over there. I have both the machines they mention and there is no comparison. The nMP kicks the S#@t out of the old tower… everywhere. Rendering, timeline movement, export. Seriously… can anybody just post crap now?
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Herb Sevush] “I am just shocked to learn that everything I thought about the Trash Can when it was first announced turns out to be true. The only thing Pro about the nMP is the price. “
Wrong Herb…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Tom Sefton] “It’s an 8core 64GB RAM with D700s. Media is stored on a G-tech Studio XL via thunderbolt 2 that read/writes at more than 840MB/s.”
Same here, but our Pegasus R6 does high 9’s… before El Capitan. Better now…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Herb Sevush] “… If you don’t mind living in a morass of cables and external boxes
… If you don’t mind having a system with absolutely zero upgrade capability
… If you never have to edit with software other than FCPX”Ahhh… I have less cables than I used…
Why do I need upgradeability… and who says you can’t?
EVERYTHING under Adobe CC is faster…
Herb, was your mother killed by a falling nMP?
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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I still use both Macs as well as my older PCs.
I dont get the whole angst over the differences.
I mean I still wish I had my Onyx 2 with Alias Power Animator but life goes on 🙂
Use what works for you.
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[Mitch Ives] “Ahhh… I have less cables than I used…”
I’ve not doubt that is true in your case. In my case that would not be remotely true.
[Mitch Ives] “Why do I need upgradeability… and who says you can’t?”
Why do you need upgrade-ability ? — well if that’s your question then the answer is that YOU don’t. Others are not in the same position and are not happy with investing 6K in a device with a 3-4 year life expectancy.
As to who says you can’t – let me know how your going to add the latest Nvidia cards to maximize CC performance when your current GPU’s age to the point of irrelevance.
[Mitch Ives] “EVERYTHING under Adobe CC is faster…”
Faster than what … ?? Definitely not faster than the latest PCs with nvidia cards.
As I have said elsewhere the nMP is a wonderful machine as long as it fits your current workflow. This demographic is, by design, smaller than the one that the old MP was suited for.
[Mitch Ives] “Herb, was your mother killed by a falling nMP?”
Taking no offense, I would suggest that if you continue to flippantly use this phrase when posting you will inevitably embarrass yourself.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “[Mitch Ives] “EVERYTHING under Adobe CC is faster…”
Faster than what … ?? Definitely not faster than the latest PCs with nvidia cards.”
Faster than the old Mac Pro. That IS what the article was about, right Herb? If you want to start another thread comparing the nMP to the PC when running CC, then do so… but that is NOT what this article is about, is it Herb?
[Herb Sevush] “As I have said elsewhere the nMP is a wonderful machine as long as it fits your current workflow. This demographic is, by design, smaller than the one that the old MP was suited for.”
That’s a very condescending position. But, I guess you’re the arbiter for determining what fits what workflow?
[Herb Sevush] “[Mitch Ives] “Herb, was your mother killed by a falling nMP?”
Taking no offense, I would suggest that if you continue to flippantly use this phrase when posting you will inevitably embarrass yourself.”
Taking no offense either, Herb, every one of your posts in this thread smacks of a desperation for this article to be true. I was simply trying to ascertain where this bias against the nMP comes from, since there is no rational for it.
This post would have been lot more useful if people who actually HAVE the nMP commented, especially those that have both the new and the old… while those who don’t have a nMP refrained from positing an unqualified opinion… but then that’s just me I’m sure…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Mitch Ives] “Faster than the old Mac Pro. That IS what the article was about, right Herb?”
You are quite right, so I’ll rephrase it — faster than a 2010 8 core 2.4 macpro with a pciSSD and an Nvidia Titan (or eqiuvalent)? And if so, by how much – a subjective guess would do.
[Mitch Ives] “That’s a very condescending position. But, I guess you’re the arbiter for determining what fits what workflow?”
It is a statement of fact. The Mac Pro allowed for a wider variety of workflows – want your raid storage internal? – no problem. Want your choice of GPUs? – no problem. Want dual Xeons – can do. Want to upgrade any of these elements 3 years from now when the technology changes? – no problem.
Open is always more flexible than closed which is why the old MacPro was such an unusual product for Apple. With the nMP they have reverted to form – wonderful product that has limited customization. Works great for an Iphone, not as much for a workstation, IMO.
[Mitch Ives] ” every one of your posts in this thread smacks of a desperation for this article to be true. I was simply trying to ascertain where this bias against the nMP comes from, since there is no rational for it.”
I would offer glee as opposed to desperation, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As for where this comes from – the demise of the Ipod classic I should think.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf -
[Herb Sevush] “It is a statement of fact. The Mac Pro allowed for a wider variety of workflows – want your raid storage internal? – no problem. Want your choice of GPUs? – no problem. Want dual Xeons – can do. Want to upgrade any of these elements 3 years from now when the technology changes? – no problem.
Open is always more flexible than closed which is why the old MacPro was such an unusual product for Apple. With the nMP they have reverted to form – wonderful product that has limited customization. Works great for an Iphone, not as much for a workstation, IMO.”
I almost never upgrade machines. In three years there are other improvements besides what you list. Faster front and backside busses… faster ram busses. PC guys never got that. Shoving a 500 horse engine into a chassis that is old never works. The transmission and brakes can’t handle it. Better off to get a car designed for it.
FWIW, fastest RAID I’ve owned to date is the external TB2 models. Just saying. By the time the next MP shows up, I will have already made several times it’s cost. Hell, I already have. I also love the quiet of both the nMP and the TB2 RAIDS. Hell, they’re on the desks now, they’re so quiet. Of course the rooms are cooler too. I’ve got machines closer together than ever before… something you can’t do with the other choices.
[Herb Sevush] “I would offer glee as opposed to desperation, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As for where this comes from – the demise of the Ipod classic I should think.”
LOL… and don’t get me started on the iPod Classic! It’s the only iPod large enough to hold my iTunes library. Glad I snapped one up at the last minute… 🙂
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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