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OT: Adobe raising our costs by 600%
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[Craig Seeman] “There’s Lightworks, costs nothing now. … “
Yeah, it kinda costs nothing, at least theres a “costs nothing” option which may work in a educational environment, but for any kind so called “pro” workflow you really do need to pay the annual “pro” license fee … which is fair enough, and its only the equivalent of $5 a month.
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I believe that personal attacks such as these Aindreas are in violation of the spirit and intent of these forums. It displays a lack of class and integrity while adding nothing of merit to the debate.
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[Bill Davis] “It’s software, as folks often note here, not religion”
Software and religion are cut from the same cloth. They are both tools to remake reality in your own image.
MacPro4,1 2.66GHz 8 core 12gigs of ram. GPU: Nvidia Geoforce GT120 with Vram 512. OS X 10.6.x; Camcorders: Panasonic AG-HPX170, Sony Z7U, Canon HV30/40, Sony vx2000/PD170; FCP 6 certified; write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.
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Not angry Bill. Only mildly annoyed with your continued refrain about how people that don’t like/use FCP X just don’t ‘get it’ and if they got it they’d surely use and surely love it. You can love whatever you want all you want but don’t dicate to others why they like/dislike what they do. That type of evangelism just grates on my nerves.
Of course since you said that no matter how awesome you think FCP X is it won’t meet everyone’s needs I guess that means editors aren’t in two simple camps anymore? 😉
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[Chris Kenny] “- Explorer just isn’t as ‘rich’ as the Finder is — you can’t have it calculate folder sizes in list view (just when hovering over a folder), there’s no column view, there’s no QuickLook, its search features aren’t as nice.”
Agree. I miss the color labeling too.
[Chris Kenny] “- Working with QuickTime media is frustrating — codec support is incomplete (no ProRes encoding, no XDCAM decoding, etc.), performance isn’t great. I guess this is in some sense Apple’s fault rather than Microsoft’s, but either way it does make Windows worse for our use cases.”
Since Quicken for Mac sucks while Quicken for Windows is great does that mean that OSX isn’t as good as Windows? I agree that if your working in ProRes you’d rather work on a Mac, but that is, as you admit, strictly Apple’s fault.
[Chris Kenny] “- Virtually every client drive that passes through our hands is Mac formatted. We use MacDrive to work with these drives in Windows, and it’s pretty good, but just not quite as solid as we’d like, honestly.”
Another point that has nothing to do with the viability of Windows as an operating system. I understand that it affects your particular workflow, but I could easily come up with different workflows that would work in Windows favor.
[Chris Kenny] “- Boot times are considerably worse than for any modern Mac, despite an SSD boot drive. “
Agree.
[Chris Kenny] “- Windows just seems to be a little quirky with hardware support. The system sometimes, entirely at random, takes 15 extra seconds to notice the keyboard and mouse when it’s booted. Sometimes USB 2.0 devices don’t quite want to work when plugged into USB 3.0 ports, despite the fact that those should be 100% compatible. It took probably 30 hours of my time to really get the system up and running the way it should (all the right drivers installed, the right PCIe slot arrangements, everything properly updated), significantly longer than equivalent tasks have ever taken me on a Mac.”
When I didn’t know what I was doing it took me days to set up my first Mac. There is no reason that setting up a Windows box should take that much time. I will agree that a Mac is Quicker, by about an hour or so, in setup time if you know what you are doing. I would suggest getting a VAR supplied box next time around if your having that much trouble.
[Chris Kenny] “So… the system is fast, it was damned inexpensive by a Mac user’s standards, and it does fundamentally perform the tasks it was ‘hired’ for. But we will immediately buy any new Mac Pro, or any plausible replacement Apple comes up with for it. It will easily be worth the extra expense to make these issues go away.”
As long as you are working heavily with Quicktime and Mac formatted hard disks and you don’t need the heaviest duty GPUs, that sounds like a wise decision. Provided Apple gives you that option.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “Agree. I miss the color labeling too.”
Yeah, I don’t know how I forgot that one.
[Herb Sevush] “Since Quicken for Mac sucks while Quicken for Windows is great does that mean that OSX isn’t as good as Windows?”
In some sort of abstract, ‘fair’ evaluation of the platforms? No. If your primary use case for the computer is running Quicken? Yes.
[Herb Sevush] “Another point that has nothing to do with the viability of Windows as an operating system. I understand that it affects your particular workflow, but I could easily come up with different workflows that would work in Windows favor.”
Honestly, we have zero choice here. Literally the only occasions on which we ever get Windows formatted drives from clients are when drives come formatted FAT32 out of the box and clients erroneously neglect to reformat them (often causing problems with large media files). Maybe it’s different elsewhere, but that’s the reality of the NYC indie film post production world right now.
[Herb Sevush] “When I didn’t know what I was doing it took me days to set up my first Mac. There is no reason that setting up a Windows box should take that much time. I will agree that a Mac is Quicker, by about an hour or so, in setup time if you know what you are doing. I would suggest getting a VAR supplied box next time around if your having that much trouble.”
This isn’t a “know what you’re doing” kind of thing. I wasn’t installing PCIe cards in the wrong speed slots or something. It is, rather, a matter of things that are supposed to work a certain way not really working that way, and having to try various combinations at random until an acceptable solution is found. There’s less of this quirkiness in the Mac world, in my experience, and because there are fewer configurations out there in the wild, when there are quirky issues it tends to be a lot easier to find out about them.
Getting a VAR-supplied box wipes out a lot of the cost/flexibility advantages Wintel supposedly has. This odd period with no Mac Pro updates aside, if a VAR-supplied box is required on the Windows side, in many cases you might as well just get a Mac.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I prefer certain tools to others, and I can understand needing to teach a broad spectrum of tools and workflows, and I also get why one might not find fcpx suitable, but vehemently hate?”
It’s social signaling. The early narrative about FCP X was that it wasn’t suitable for serious professionals. Thus one way to signal that one is a serious professional is to disapprove of FCP X. The more thoroughly one disapproves of it, the more serious one is. Frankly this industry is full of this kind of thing — it’s unfortunately not just restricted to film students.
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Digital Workflow/Colorist, Nice Dissolve.You should follow me on Twitter here. Or read our blog.
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[Chris Kenny] “This odd period with no Mac Pro updates aside, if a VAR-supplied box is required on the Windows side, in many cases you might as well just get a Mac.”
Not if GPU speed or multiple PCIe lanes are of interest. I agree that the price difference gets wiped out by using a VAR, but you said price wasn’t the most significant factor. You make a big deal over the ease of Mac setup but which wastes more time over the course of a year, PC setup or MAC renders?
Let’s agree that you should get a system that matches your workflow requirements; that Mac’s are slightly easier to work with and faster to setup and that PCs have more powerful processing options.
At the moment I work mostly with ProRes and am stuck in the Mac world. If Aja adds MXF options to the KiPro, which is what we use to record our shows, my options will multiply and I’ll be happy to use them.
As someone once said, being bi-sexual doubles your chances for a date on saturday nite.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nice.
nearly a zang tumb tumb concrete poetry moment there.
https://testpressing.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/01marinetti-zang-tumb-tumb.jpg
got to love the futurists.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuFRz18rMQk
(contains no emotion directed at any corporation)
Franz.
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