-
OT: Adobe raising our costs by 600%
-
[Andrew Kimery] “[Bill Davis] “Editors in two simple camps.
BEM camp or NBEM camp.
(Before Eureka! Moment or Not Before Eureka! Moment)”Not much room left for people that have given it an honest try but just don’t like it as much as other NLEs (maybe they were holding it wrong?) or people that have a workflow that X can’t easily fit into.
If your comment was meant to be cheeky then toss in a 😉 or something as cheeky is hard to glean on the internet.
“Point 1 – when every anyone drags out the hoary “you’re holding it wrong” diss, I always flash back to when my son and I had some fun taking fencing lessons together. The first time our coach set us up and watched us the VERY first thing he said to us was “you’re holding it wrong.” Because, of course, we WERE. (iPhone antenna-gate reference understood, but wasn’t the larger lesson there the effect that the whole problem had on successful adoption of the device? Which was largely NONE. The device’s value was NOT linked to what the few early professional fault finders who focused on a problem that turned out NOT to be particularly important to the vast majority of their target customers. The sum of the device was pleasing to a wide body of potential users no matter HOW they held it… huh, wonder if there’s an X parallel burried anywhere here? )
Even when someone tells you something that makes you bristle – you can get offended and disengage – OR – you can see for yourself if there’s something worth learning.
Point 2 – Oops, you failed to add the emoticon after your own “you’re holding it wrong” line directed at me – indicating that you MUST have felt THAT was a serious diss and not a cheeky comment? Essentially, haven’t you just done EXACTLY what you’re criticizing me for?
The truth here, is that in fast ebb and flow of daily discussion here, we ALL make semantic mistakes and often fail to write with “tonal clarity” – and I’m likely guilty as sin of that.
But I don’t have time to polish everything I write here. So mistakes will happen. And onto those mistakes, people will overlay their impressions of what they think my “tone” was meant to be whether fair or not.
I can live with that.
Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
-
Tim,
Delete at will from my perspective. Particular anything I post.
An early editor of mine once told me that writers are paid for ideas – and editors are paid to clarify or even KILL those ideas if they go too far.
Figuring out where the lines are is half the fun!
Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
-
[Bill Davis] “Delete at will from my perspective. Particular anything I post.”
ditto.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
-
well that was an entertaining watch eh?.
any thread where nomme de plume Bieberkopf drops a nugget is, I think we can all agree, a good thread.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
-
[Bill Davis] “Even when someone tells you something that makes you bristle – you can get offended and disengage – OR – you can see for yourself if there’s something worth learning.
Point 2 – Oops, you failed to add the emoticon after your own “you’re holding it wrong” line directed at me – indicating that you MUST have felt THAT was a serious diss and not a cheeky comment? Essentially, haven’t you just done EXACTLY what you’re criticizing me for? “
The “you’re holding it wrong” meme is well known so I figured it would be recognized, which it was, w/o the need for an emoticon to underscore the intent.
A minority of comments make me bristle and I’m still here gleaning things in spite of that. Like I said before, I have no ill will towards FCPX and will pick it up if it becomes viable in my neck of the woods. I think the engage/disengage aspect has been covered.
[Bill Davis] “The truth here, is that in fast ebb and flow of daily discussion here, we ALL make semantic mistakes and often fail to write with “tonal clarity” – and I’m likely guilty as sin of that. “
I think we are all at various times which is why I suggested the emoticon. I know some people don’t care to use them but they can certainly help.
-
Lightworks does seem to be getting more and more interesting. At the moment I don’t have a powerful enough PC to really test it but when the Mac version comes out I will definitely give it a spin.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
—————————
nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf -
[Herb Sevush] ” At the moment I don’t have a powerful enough PC”
It does work with Boot Camp, in case you have access to a suitable Mac and space to spare on your boot disk.
-
[Chris Jacek] “This is only a promotional price, good for one year. I must budget for 3 years. But even at $20 a month, my costs have more than tripled. There’s no way I can get a 300% increase approved.”
Apologies that I haven’t hit this forum in the last few days. You are assuming a 300% increase is based on the same version never improving. If you knew that you would get a new version and/or new features regularly, that should change the equation considerably. Your value is also improved by the fact that you are getting all of the Adobe Creative Suite (InDesign, web tools, etc), plus additional software (Lightroom, Edge), plus cloud storage, plus some additional services, plus tablet apps, plus training. Phew!
A suite to suite upgrade costs today $375 for Production Premium assuming you have the immediate previous version of CS5.5. If you have CS5, it is more. A year of Creative Cloud at $19.99 is about $360, but comes with much more. Also, your institution can contact Adobe to look into 3 year plans which we offer.
In the end, not everyone will like this, but I will say that the value proposition is very squarely in favor of Creative Cloud and a subscription based model. I hope this clears some misunderstanding.
Cheers,
Dennis – Adobe guy -
[Dennis Radeke] “A suite to suite upgrade costs today $375 for Production Premium assuming you have the immediate previous version of CS5.5. If you have CS5, it is more. A year of Creative Cloud at $19.99 is about $360, but comes with much more. Also, your institution can contact Adobe to look into 3 year plans which we offer.”
This isn’t true. We have a CLP license with a maintenance contract. Our costs, before Adobe changed the rules by killing the maintenance licensing, are $150 for two years of upgrades, which is $6.25 a month. For that we DO get all the newest versions of the CS suite, immediately upon their release.
I though I’d made that pretty clear in my post.
Professor, Producer, Editor
and former Apple Employee
Reply to this Discussion! Login or Sign Up