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oh good god, people. *DON’T PANIC*
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[John A. Calhoun] “Of course as a professional, you *never, never, EVER* jump on a 1.0 product for mission critical work. You wait for at least few dot releases or for 2.0 when all of the kinks are worked out. “
Unfortunately Apple has sent a clear message to us by pulling FC studio off the shelf. We either work with what we’ve got, or if we need more capacity we transition to something else. No Multiclip, and no OMF is a deal stopper for us. We live on XML’s in a multi person episodic TV environment, just like Ma’ Apple told us we should. XML is the future, but we left it out of this release.
For those saying this is a 1.0 product, give me a break. This is for the one man band type of shop, not a professional editorial house. The only way we could get to the extra color data in the red raw format was to use color, and now we can’t do that.
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I think I speak for many people that have been watching other editing
platforms make leaps and bounds over final cut pro 6.9999, and waiting
for 4 years for apple to show their hand.Now that I know, I’ll be transitioning to pp55 or MC. At least I’ll
be able to open my fcp projects in one of those.I’m not panicking or freaking out, the sky isn’t falling, but I’m also
not going to validate apple’s BS. We’ve lost out on enough time rendering
and re-rendering with a program that couldn’t use the power or the
machines apple was selling us. And Xfcp is just going to convert everything,
not just flow through a timeline ala pp.After fcp “7” I had a feeling something big was coming – I was just hoping
it would be real competition to PPro.XFCP is great for single person shops that don’t have to do real
broadcast work. it is TRULY iMovie pro. Anyone that argues differently
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One would think so, if they didn’t discontinue FCP 7 and Server and ask stores to send copies back. Apple can’t have it both ways. If they wanted to introduce a completely new app, they could’ve named it something else. But they didn’t. They wanted to use the FCP name and the weight it brings.
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[Buddy Couch] “Especially with Apples track record.”
Glad you brought that up.
Yeah, a track record of dumping high end professional-use products without warning, after business have made major investments in them.
A track record of touting features in the adverts that version after version still either don’t work at all, don’t work as advertised, or work so poorly they are useless.
A track record of not listening to the customer base.
A track record of telling the customer base what is best for them.
A track record of favoring bling over substance.
A track record of arrogance, and hype.
A track record of making changes for the sake of creating obsolescence and driving sales.
A track record of ignoring and downplaying deficiencies.
A track record of marketing incompatibility as something hip, cool and useful.Don’t get me wrong. The Mac Pro is a decent, although pricey product.
FCS isn’t a bad software suite. I like it. I use it. In fact I use all of it, not just FCP. But everyone that owns it, and paid a lot more than 300 dollars is still waiting for Apple to address issues with it.
And we have been waiting a long time.
And it looks like we are still waiting.If past history is a predictor of future performance, and you still think Apple is going to turn X into ‘FCP Awesome’ anytime in the near future, well you’re living in dreamland.
Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.comI have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
You should be suitably impressed…“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
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Wow! You put the finger in the wound!!!!
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Tom,
First off let me say I didn’t mean to offend you if I did. If you ask me if Apple screwed up, I would say yes they did. They should have said we are releasing beta version of Final Cut Pro. It is missing many of the professional add ons that you the community of editors have come to rely on. We want to get people acclimated to the new UI and magnetic timeline, etc. If you buy the beta project you will get 100 bucks off final price of 500 or something. Then you have a million beta testers not so angry that you sold them a bill of goods that was 25 percent of what you said it would be.THEN maybe everyone wouldn’t be in such a tizzy. They do need to come out and make a statement of sorts. Apple has 19 or so PHD scientist specializing in acoustics. They worked on the antenna gate as it was so eloquently called. Come to find out it had a lot more to do with AT&Ts 3G service than it did with the phone. My point being, you cannot tell me Apple that employs 9,000 people in the cupertino complex (soon to be expanded to 12,000) would not have ONE professional editor in house that could point out all of these faults you people have found in 5 min after launch. Steve Martin anyone? I feel as though he is in a difficult situation. Hard to point out the flaws of something you make a lot of money making training videos for.
NOW you guys got me on the negative bandwagon, see what I mean, its like a virus. Okay Tom I blame this on you 🙂
Change you can believe in is great isn’t it? Oh wait that was another guy.
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[Bret Williams] ” One would think so, if they didn’t discontinue FCP 7 and Server and ask stores to send copies back. Apple can’t have it both ways. If they wanted to introduce a completely new app, they could’ve named it something else. But they didn’t. They wanted to use the FCP name and the weight it brings.”
And all the junk on this forum just goes to show you the cost of keeping the same name. Ouch. that’s gotta hurt.
-mattyc
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[Matt Callac] “As I see it apple made 2 major mistakes
1) keeping the product under the FCP umbrella as version X (10.0)
2) Pulling FCS 3 off the website/shelves.If it had a different name people wouldn’t be complaining about how it’s different. And if they hadn’t pulled FCS 3 it wouldn’t look like they don’t care about “pro users”. Not having FCS 3 available anymore while FCPX isn’t capable (yet) of workflows that certain people need leaves a serious gap in the customer base for quite some time.”
I’m in 90% agreement with this. Where I differ is that it’s not in the name. It’s what Walter said. I’m have been waiting and expecting what amounts to FCS4, or at least FCP8. We didn’t get anything remotely close.
I don’t really care about iMovie Pro. All those DLSR guys out there really need something like that. Fine give it to them.
Why does that mean I have to give up my tools?Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.comI have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
You should be suitably impressed…“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
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Hey, yes if you will reference my recent post, I acknowledge exactly what you are saying.
I am just pointing out that Apple will not let us down in the long run. No business is perfect in everything they do. You must be measured by the sum of your averages in my opinion. I would have loved to own Apple stock in 1997, lets say 10,000 shares. I would have probably been on stage to hawk this along with Steve.
I have been through MANY software versions in my working life. This includes 3D modeling and programming software. Not to mention endless versions of windows and such. I just think it is foolhardy to think version 1.0 of anything will be great. It is the nature of making things that we improve upon them as we go. Think windows vista for instance. Everyone knows it was awful, but then comes Windows 7, pretty much a fixed version. It works great for me and most others I would think. Give Apple some time and you will be happy that you did.
I don’t know about multi cam, but I am pretty sure a TOP priority is FCP legacy imports. They might as well go jump off their new cupertino space ship head first if they do not do the above asap.
Buddy C
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All very well put. I work in a similar environment – public access. This is going to be revolutionary for people like us. This product reaches a wider market, so it could be argued that Apple was listening, they were just trying to make a broader reach.
My two cents? Apple is listening to the cries. I think they will allow FCP7 support for some time to come. I also think that this product was rushed for delivery, and over the next year we are going to see a bunch of needed features come in (import XML, Multicam, etc…) In hindsight, December might have been a better launch point, but they wanted it now, perhaps to coincide with Lion…I don’t really know.
So. Maybe this software is for more people, but not truly for “pros”. My guess is the quality of Youtube videos just went up dramatically as of yesterday.
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