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Oh dear, we will switch to fcpx!
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Got it. Thanks. Would love to see tutorials on specific professional workflows for particular types of projects. I know from working with professional editors that they work incredibly fast . It’s hard to follow because it’s largely keyboard commands.
Appreciate all the responses.
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[alban egger] “For docs there is no tool that can help organizing vast amounts of data as smart as FCPX does.”
Alban,
I’ll just comment on this particular trope since it is oft repeated here in variations.
I can’t speak to the browser-based editing workflows that FCP X key-wording seems designed for, but I will say that there are many ways of organizing vast amounts of data, and for sequence-based editing workflows (doc or otherwise) I don’t see any advantages in X – I certainly wouldn’t call it the “smartest” tool.
Franz.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “there are many ways of organizing vast amounts of data, and for sequence-based editing workflows (doc or otherwise) I don’t see any advantages in X – I certainly wouldn’t call it the “smartest” tool.”
Serious question… how would you define the difference between “browser based” and “sequence based” editing?
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[Charlie Austin] “… how would you define the difference between “browser based” and “sequence based” editing?”
Charlie,
I’ve discussed it before but never composed the longer post that I’ve mused about. Some clarity here:
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/44788 (Nov 2012)
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/52771 (May 2013)(Note: I originally made the distinction between “sequence-based” and “clip-based”, but I think “clip-based” is a poor choice of words and “browser-based” is better.)
Franz.
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[Charlie Austin] “Serious question… how would you define the difference between “browser based” and “sequence based” editing?”
Sequenced-based editing lets you do this:
https://vashivisuals.com/the-pancake-timeline-maximum-limit-is-24-hours/
It’s a lovely technique that has advantages you just can’t get with FCPX’s browser-based editing, as powerful as it is.
For example, in the FCPX browser, every clip appears the same length in the browser window, no matter what its duration. A sequence gives more immediate visual context in regards to clip length. This may be essential information the editor needs.
I’m not saying browser-based editing is less valuable than sequence-based editing, quite the contrary, I think it’s a very powerful and new tool. But sequence-based editing can be just as powerful.
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[Douglas K. Dempsey] “It IS of concern because it possibly expresses Apple’s overall intent to keep X skewed consumer and not so much pro. “Events” is a concept shared with the Instamatic-like iPhoto app, and makes you feel that Apple sees everyone as a Mom & Pop Home Movie Maker, who in turn see the stuff that comes out of their camera as an important “Event” in their lives: Baby’s first step, Grandma’s birthday, Vacation at the Shore etc.”
You’re reading too much into this, I think. FCP X has “projects” in “events” in “libraries.” While I agree this terminology is a little odd for a pro video app, it doesn’t actually map to consumer taxonomy any better. When have consumers ever talked about keeping their events in libraries?
“Events” is the only one of these terms that even slightly implies the sort of orientation you’re suggesting, and even then, not really. It’s an exceedingly vague term. Yes, a birthday party is an “event,” but so is a feature film shoot. The sun exploding would be an “event.” The word covers a lot of territory.
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[Herb Sevush] “The most enlightening thing about this forum is the exposure to so many widely varied workflows. Features that are deal breakers for me are less than meaningless to to so many others. The depth of most NLE software is quite amazing – and it’s getting deeper, not simpler, as time passes.
Herb Sevush”
Herb NAILS this.
It’s a nice description of my entire experience here for the past nearly 4 years.
And every time I see someone write about how they “can’t” use something because of how it works, it’s easy for me to transform that into feeling that they just don’t “want” to use it, because so many others who you would think would have precisely the same needs DO use it.
But the truth is probably that an editors “needs” are not confined to keystroke combinations or timeline structures. They’re also about how they’ve learned to think about editing. And the way they are forced to edit based on THIS project or circumstance. And we all think about this stuff somewhat differently.
Nice post, Herb.
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[Scott Witthaus] “[Andrew Kimery] “It wasn’t pro before, but Apple has made a lot of good strides. ;)”
Hell, it was mid-beta when it was released!”
Well, wasn’t X the first full-blown Application released after the App store made real-time digital distribution of large programs a workable process?
And didn’t that kinda change everything?
Today, most major software (and Premier is a great example) appear to be pushed when “ready enough to be quite functional if imperfect” state. And as new features are finished they’re pushed when ready. And along the way, as problems are identified, they get fixed and those are then pushed as well.
That seems to me to be the new normal.
Why does Apple keep the THEY made a mistake label, now that most other (all?) software manufacturers now do precisely the same thing?
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[Bill Davis] “Why does Apple keep the THEY made a mistake label, now that most other (all?) software manufacturers now do precisely the same thing?
“Because Apple is in the media spotlight and that’s what PR pros recommend. Say your sorry. Say you take full responsibility for your actions and the actions of your organization and then make no change to your behavior what so ever.
If you get caught again then admit to having a “problem” with this behavior and you have full intention of addressing it. You are now deeply sorry.
If it happens once again then fire someone and promise it will never ever happen again and you are taking serious steps to change the behavior, getting back to the core values, the ones that built the company and the trust that your customers have in it.
Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Canon 5D Mark III/70D, Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV40, Sony Z7U/VX2000/PD170; FCP 6 certified; FCP X write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.
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[Bill Davis] “But the truth is probably that an editors “needs” are not confined to keystroke combinations or timeline structures. They’re also about how they’ve learned to think about editing. And the way they are forced to edit based on THIS project or circumstance. And we all think about this stuff somewhat differently. “
There are quirks in how we all like to edit.
And then there are tools that some of us actually do really need in order to carry out certain clearly defined and frequently recurring tasks.
I think you are perhaps eliding the two considerations here as though they are part of the same continuum.
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